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re: USA tells Brits to stop extracting their trapped Citizens
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:00 pm to RollingwiththeTide
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:00 pm to RollingwiththeTide
There is no way to sneak 10s of thousand from all over Afghanistan in 10 days...they have to start moving everything from the airport a few days before.
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Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:01 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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They're taking a risk that could jeopardize the rest of the operation.
The operation that is already completely fricked?
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:01 pm to memphis tiger
Agree 100%. We should be ashamed and bravo for GB for acting like a rational nation state.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:03 pm to memphis tiger
Well I agree, but it could get worse if they start shelling they airport. Risk and risk management.
There just isn't really a military solution to this.
There just isn't really a military solution to this.
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:05 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Well I agree, but it could get worse if the start shelling they airport. Risk and risk management.
This is why leadership matters
We don't have it
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:06 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
Well what I said was just a not so serious thought. Something for consideration. But just to finish it out then they could at least get as many as they could. Maybe in some of the further areas so the people closer could be rescued another way. If it got hot then you are closer to the airport.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:07 pm to thelawnwranglers
They have to play the horrible hand Jello Joe dealt, sucks but it is what it is.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:08 pm to Jjdoc
“British paratroopers are still running constant patrols…”
Courageous men doing serious work upholding their colors. I believe that our troopers are beside themselves wanting to weigh in. This is the consequence Obama gutting the leadership of the US military he hates. Biden must resign along with his Joint Chiefs.
The Color Sergeant approves.
Courageous men doing serious work upholding their colors. I believe that our troopers are beside themselves wanting to weigh in. This is the consequence Obama gutting the leadership of the US military he hates. Biden must resign along with his Joint Chiefs.
The Color Sergeant approves.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:11 pm to RollingwiththeTide
I think you guys continue to over simplify this, and under estimate the risks.
Joe fricked up, biggest frickup in mylifetime.
There is no easy solution if the new government doesn't play ball.
Joe fricked up, biggest frickup in mylifetime.
There is no easy solution if the new government doesn't play ball.
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:12 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
I think the crux of the current situation comes down to what is the real pull out date.
If it's 8/31 then the US has a huge task to get everyone out.
If it's 9/11 as the Taliban have said, it's still a huge fast job to get everyone out.
If we're going to stay until they are all out, it will work if the Taliban allow it to work. If they choose to, the Taliban can shut down that airport stranding our troops and people.
Everyone saying we should impose our will on the Taliban is failing to grasp the situation. If that runway is shut down, We're surrounded in enemy territory with no logistical support other than what we could airdrop in.
It would take a massive mobilization to put enough troops on the ground to take control of Kabul back from the Taliban. Would Biden be willing to commit to that size escalation? He has sure been adamant about the need to leave. Turning around and putting 30K plus troops and their support on the ground would be a massive reversal.
If it's 8/31 then the US has a huge task to get everyone out.
If it's 9/11 as the Taliban have said, it's still a huge fast job to get everyone out.
If we're going to stay until they are all out, it will work if the Taliban allow it to work. If they choose to, the Taliban can shut down that airport stranding our troops and people.
Everyone saying we should impose our will on the Taliban is failing to grasp the situation. If that runway is shut down, We're surrounded in enemy territory with no logistical support other than what we could airdrop in.
It would take a massive mobilization to put enough troops on the ground to take control of Kabul back from the Taliban. Would Biden be willing to commit to that size escalation? He has sure been adamant about the need to leave. Turning around and putting 30K plus troops and their support on the ground would be a massive reversal.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:13 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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They have to play the horrible hand Jello Joe dealt, sucks but it is what it is.
There has to be a red line somewhere. You cannot abandon American citizens behind enemy lines. That IS the operation. Everything else is already gone. The primary function of our government is to protect this country and its citizens. Idgaf if the Taliban doesn’t like it. You either make another deal or you do what the Brits are doing and you run smaller ops. But you don’t just say oh well bc the Taliban won’t let us. That’s not acceptable and anyone arguing it is is insane.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:15 pm to Chromdome35
Agreed, but think 100-200k, and 6+ months to get there. Everyone is dead for sure as well.
Joe fricked up bigly.
Joe fricked up bigly.
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:16 pm to Jjdoc
This is a pure top down issue. Biden and his cronies are bowing to the Taliban instead of using American strength to turn the table on them. They are actually scared the taliban will start a fire fight with our troops if we ask to do what the brits are doing. Embarrassing
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:17 pm to LSUGrrrl
I agree, we have to get those people out, we have a responsibility to get those people out.
No man left behind.
That said, we need to be prepared for what that could mean. The only reason the brits are able to do what they are doing is that the Taliban aren't attacking them. Will they let the American's do the same? If not, how do we get our people out if they can't get to the airport?
No man left behind.
That said, we need to be prepared for what that could mean. The only reason the brits are able to do what they are doing is that the Taliban aren't attacking them. Will they let the American's do the same? If not, how do we get our people out if they can't get to the airport?
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:17 pm to LSUGrrrl
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That’s not acceptable and anyone arguing it is is insane.
So, what you are saying is the new government should start shelling the airport?
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:19 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
This is the biggest blunder on the world stage in a very long time for us. Probably the biggest blunder ever. If Joe can pull out of this with every American accounted for and no bloodshed then he might hold off on the biggest blunder ever. I don’t know though this has been an absolute disaster. Just losing all those weapons and equipment will really hurt us because it will be broken down and gone through by China and Russia for sure. That’s another huge blunder out of this. If we get everyone back it could still be the biggest blunder of all time by itself.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:20 pm to Chromdome35
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Would Biden be willing to commit to that size escalation?
Everyone knows no and that's the problem
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:20 pm to Jjdoc
what kind of WWF/WCW face turned heel are we fricking doing? How in the frick can we be upset that the Brits have a fricking sack and are doing what we should be doing? I know the Joes on the ground must be seething that they can't do the right thing because the command is pulling this shite.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:21 pm to RollingwiththeTide
It sucks, it a horrible hand to play at this stage. Hope the ragheads play ball I guess.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:22 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
30K at the tip of the spear means roughly 75K behind them using a tooth-to-tail ratio of 2.5 which is what I've read we had in Iraq.
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