re: USA is a net EXPORTER of diesel

I'm not sure why you think this is important

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It is the very definition

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If you're in 5th or 6th grade, maybe. Like when they taught us that the definition of fascism is the government not owning, but controlling the means of production (which means that what you are arguing for is fascism...see how this works when you insist on being obtuse?)

It's one aspect of fascism, just like what you posted is one aspect of populism. Again, your clue should have been precisely what you are attempting to argue. If the definition of the word "ball" ends up classifying every object that exists as a ball, then it fails as a definition.

You don't think there's just one definition for every word, do you? The one you are using is a simplistic elementary age definition, like the definition of fascism they taught us in elementary school.

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Conservative do expect that the federal gov and state gov have their backs.

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No, they don't. The entire Constitution was written to hedge against government tyranny, and that's why actual conservatives are universally constitutionalists. The whole bill of rights was written specifically BECAUSE the founders did NOT expect government to "have citizen's backs."

And that's why a conservative will say, "I don't like what Facebook is doing by censoring content, but it's a private platform and they can do what they want," while a populist will bawl, "You're going to let them manipulate the public into electing Democrats who will tear down the country over silly principles! There won't be a country to protect if the government doesn't step in and stop this."

We just saw this exact divide play out in the thread that someone posted proposing that we exercise institutional religious discrimination and ban Muslims from holding public office. All the populists argued just like I posted above, basically justifying violating the Constitution because "circumstances demand it for the survival of the country," and the conservatives (few as they were) argued that violating the Constitution only represents us tearing down the country before the Muslims could do it.

That's one of the aspects of populism that your 5th grade definition doesn't explore, btw. At least the particular flavor of western populism that we're currently experiencing programs people to exist in a constant state of manufactured discontent and paranoia, which it accomplishes by feeding people a constant stream of conspiracy theories and doomsday predictions.

There's always some dire threat that justifies shitcanning the 1st or 5th or 4th amendment or other. Which were put in place—again—specifically because the founding fathers knew what modern conservatives still know. That the government is always the greatest threat to freedom and liberty. Which is the opposite of the government "having my back."

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A conservative populist can absolutely have the same fundamental goals as a "traditional" conservative: limited government, constitutional government, individual liberty, property rights, fiscal restraint, and government confined to its legitimate functions

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Explain how protectionist economic policies represent limited government.

Explain how banning private entities from selling refined fuel to the highest bidder represents property rights and individual freedom.

Explain how institutionally preventing members of a certain religion from holding public office represent constitutional government.

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an argument can be that the political establishment has abandoned conservative principles and that ordinary citizens need to take their government back.

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I don't thin an argument even need be made to evidence that proposition. I think it's self-evident. The disagreement isn't that Republicans have failed to advance conservative agendas for decades now. I don't even think that can be reasonably disputed.

The disagreement is regarding the response to that phenomenon.

The Republican base—instead of responding to this by 90% of registered voters voting in the primaries and aggressively firing every Republican representative who failed to uphold conservative ideals during these elections—sat on the couch during he primaries (less than 10% turnout on average) and fumed and pouted and told themselves that it was "the Elites" who were responsible instead of themselves for not wielding the voting power they had correctly.

After a while of blaming "The Elites," the "Deep State," the "Globalists," the "Jooz," and whoever else they could think of to blame instead of just getting up off the couch on primary day and voting out the politicians who wouldn't uphold conservative values, the base pretty much officially abandoned conservatism for populism by nominating and electing Donald Trump, who is the ultimate populist.

Now again. My response highlights the gaping divide between an actual conservative and a populist. In my view, we are getting what we deserve. We refuse to use the considerable voting power we have to control politicians. WE have the power. Not "Elites," or whatever other populist BoogieMan your definition claimed. WE have it, and always have. Over 90% of us just refuse to use it.

By your own (5th grade) definition, populists do NOT think we have the ultimate power.

For all of your semantic nonsense on this (and as an aside, it's mildly interesting to me as to why it would be so important to try to make someone admit that 'everyone is a populist'), all you have to do to easily see the difference between a conservative and a populist is observe the conversations on here about the issues. There's some overlap, of course...sometimes populists agree with conservative positions...I never argued otherwise...but with regard to protectionist economics or the Muslim ban on holding office, for example, all you have to do to see the difference is read the responses.

I'm probably done with this topic at this point. Your reply was filled with even more nonsense than your initial posts on it (you're now t the point of arguing that anyone who favors one policy over another for any reason is arguing in their own interest and therefore "a populist.")

I only have so much time, and when the discourse gets to be that absurd it's better spent on other things.

Yep. Hes an attention whore. Its why nobody hardly even engages with him.

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Why dont we stop and keep it in the country,

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Who do you want to decide this and enforce it?

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I assure you it is open and tankers come out of there every day. Plant entrance is where AL158 runs into US43 in Saraland

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Ships everyday? Never happened. I've been in the plant and sold equipment to it when it was Shell, owned by Shell Chemical, not refining.

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Trucks. In and out all hours.

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It was an 80,000 BPD refinery and now a refinery/lube recycling plant. Shell made bank 15 years ago with a price differential of Bakken being expensive on the coast due lack of pipeline capacity. Rail from Bakken to near Pace, FL and pipeline to Saraland. It was short lived though. Vertex filed bankruptcy to reorganize after its failed attempt to get into renewable diesel market. From what I've been told, they are going to run vacuum gasoil blended with used motor oil in their hydrocracker.to recycle it. There is a market for recycled motor oil but the problem is waste which they call asphalt extender. Asphalt extender is only blending in with asphalt, so they don't pay for disposal. Something like 30% goes to that. Most lube oil recycling has closed due not profitable enough.

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Wahhhhhhhh get over it

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If operating 100%, 100's per day

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When you know something about refining more than a company's statement, let me know.

1. Not even close a major refinery.
2. It hasn't made a profit for Vertex
3. It has rail but cannot receive train loads. It once did that via Florida and a pipeline in the brief time Shell had it making a profit.
4. It's more of a barge operation thing.

I actually know It's head of engineering. It has lots of complaints at its Marrero, LA location from the smell mercaptans (rotten eggs) in all the neighborhoods a mile or two away. A lot of motor oil recycling plants have had that issue and have shutdown. I prefer to pour my spent motor oil along fence lines to kill the grass.

Tank trucks are what are used to haul used motor oil. Yes, that is what this refinery is for. They also refine some crude oil, and as I stated blend vacuum gas oil with the used motor oil to recycle it.

If they receive anything by truck is it condensate from Hilcorp's field north of there, It isn't going to be very much at all