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re: US government and media lying about Ukrainian counteroffensive
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:17 pm to LuckyTiger
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:17 pm to LuckyTiger
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quote:Government is failing us but it has nothing to do with Ukraine.
Ukraine is just another example of our government failing us.
I certainly can understand that argument. Intelligent people can disagree on whether or not the US should be heavily involved in the war, but blaming all those issues on our involvement is ludicrous.
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:29 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Kings and Generals.
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Without superior numbers of planes and personnel running an offensive is extremely difficult.
Ukraine has the initiative, but the whole thing is a slow slog.
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Without superior numbers of planes and personnel running an offensive is extremely difficult.
Ukraine has the initiative, but the whole thing is a slow slog.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 2:18 pm to Indefatigable
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I’ve always found it mildly entertaining that the creator of that meme didn’t think to put the tank’s manufacturer among the logos.
I’m just tickled pink you took the time to notice.
Chrysler Defense no longer exists so it would be an anachronism yet since I aim to please, here you go:
Posted on 9/24/23 at 2:20 pm to stout
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Believe what you want to believe. You will do that anyway.
Says the guy who supports a party that says men can get pregnant
This post was edited on 9/24 at 2:19 pm
And Boom goes the dynamite.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 2:31 pm to doubleb
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Intelligent people can disagree on whether or not the US should be heavily involved in the war, but blaming all those issues on our involvement is ludicrous.
What?
Our nation’s “involvement” in a border dispute in the distant hinterlands of Eastern Europe is the wellspring of the crisis.
At this late stage, if you still are operating under the belief that Zelensky is an independent actor and not a wholly contrived figurehead put into power by the most corrupted elements in our nation’s national security apparatus, I’m not exactly sure what to say.
Well, actually I am but in the interest of diplomacy I’ll keep my trap shut!
Posted on 9/24/23 at 2:50 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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Our nation’s “involvement” in a border dispute in the distant hinterlands of Eastern Europe is the wellspring of the crisis.
Actually Putin is the problem, not the US. Our involvement began in the mid 1990s when we negotiated nuclear arms reductions. We lived up to our word, Putin didn’t.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 4:40 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Sen Josh Hawley came out of a classified briefing and said the same thing about being sold the lie about the counteroffensive. He also said the $24 billion was just a start and they expect more and more billions as the war goes on. Just like Iraq, Afghanistan etc.
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This post was edited on 9/24/23 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 9/24/23 at 4:51 pm to SDVTiger
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LowTBoy just got destroyed
He must get off on it since he constantly sets himself up for it.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 4:57 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
But Trump foreign policy's will get us into wars everywhere.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 5:50 pm to doubleb
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We lived up to our word
Posted on 9/24/23 at 5:54 pm to Chief One Word
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Just like Iraq, Afghanistan etc.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 5:54 pm to TBoy
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Believe what you want to believe. You will do that anyway
How many genders are there again?
Posted on 9/24/23 at 7:13 pm to Zach
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quote:Believe what you want to believe. You will do that anyway. But be aware that this is a Russian propaganda piece.
Might be. But I've heard from unbiased sources that the problem is logistics. People don't understand how large and dug in the Russian forces are. They are in defensive mode specifically to make counteroffensive measures useless. They are set for a LONG waiting game. An analogy is something like: Ukraine: 'Aha! Our counter offensive this month retook 100 yards of territory!' Reality: 'Great. You only have 300 miles to go.'
Another problem the Ukrainian military is dealing with is the hodgepodge of military hardware. The Ukrainians are using military hardware from the US, Germany, France, Britain, Italy, etc....for the most part Russian soldiers are very familiar with their equipment, not so with the Ukrainians.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 7:45 pm to doubleb
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Do you really believe that the Russia-Ukraine war is why Fentanyl is prevalent in our communities?
Do you really believe our auto insurance is high because we are helping Ukraine?
Do you think medical care in our ERs had suffered because of this war?
And do you really believe the Russia-Ukraine war is causing our kids to get a poor education?
This is one of the dumbest posts you’ve put on this board. If the war was over today and we got every penny that we sent Ukraine; all of the issues you listed wouldn’t suddenly go away.
Biden would still be president. Our borders would still be a sieve. Fentanyl would still be pouring in. ERs would still be overwhelmed. Insurance would be high.
Government is failing us but it has nothing to do with Ukraine.
Did you miss the part of "if it was a zero sum game" or, is English your second language?
Posted on 9/24/23 at 7:53 pm to bigblake
quote:I guess we will see how this ends for Ukraine
Some guy that used to work at the CIA and some random retired colonel (of 10,000s) says Russia has won [Bakhmut].
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:07 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Ukraine is throwing 60 year old women into battle and raising money prostituting on OnlyFans because everything is going swimmingly.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:31 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
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“There is no Ukrainian offensive anymore, but the White House and the American media have to keep the lie going.”
More harsh reality.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:33 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
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“‘The war is over. Russia has won
When does Russia have the victory parade?
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:24 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
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The war is over. Russia has won. There is no Ukrainian offensive anymore, but the White House and the American media have to keep the lie going.’”
I hate to point out the obvious, but if the war is really over and the US government is lying about it, wouldn’t Putin and Russia have to play along with this lie to make it believable?
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:34 am to Darth_Vader
It’s over in the way WW2 was over by 1943.
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