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re: U.S. Federal District Judge: Bans ICE from arresting illegals.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:37 pm to Figgy
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:37 pm to Figgy
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The ACLU said border patrol agents spent nearly a week unconstitutionally detaining people who "appeared to be farmworkers or day laborers, regardless of their actual immigration status or individual circumstances.
Has anyone asked the ACLU how you determine immigration status or individual circumstance without detaining people?
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Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:37 pm to BCreed1
You must get a warrant despite the law saying otherwise.
1. She needs to be disbarred. That won't happen.
2. She needs to be arrested for treason. That won't happen.
3. She needs to have the _______________. That won't happen.
This has got to be the most ridiculous shite I have ever heard of. And that is saying a lot.
Because many years ago and man destroyed his hands by trying to trim his hedges by lifting up the push mower with his hands.... His argument in court was there were no warning labels saying not to stick your hands where the blades are. AND WON! This judges BS is even more ridiculous than that.
1. She needs to be disbarred. That won't happen.
2. She needs to be arrested for treason. That won't happen.
3. She needs to have the _______________. That won't happen.
This has got to be the most ridiculous shite I have ever heard of. And that is saying a lot.
Because many years ago and man destroyed his hands by trying to trim his hedges by lifting up the push mower with his hands.... His argument in court was there were no warning labels saying not to stick your hands where the blades are. AND WON! This judges BS is even more ridiculous than that.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:44 pm to Bonkers119
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It needs to be proven they're here illegally in a court of law.
Point of clarification, alienage is very, very, very rarely at issue since it is a factual issue. Even a contested charge, which is a legal issue, is rarely an issue since the most common are 212(a)(6)(A)(i) (people who are present after not having been admitted or paroled) and 237(a)(i) (visa overstay) are pretty clearly met or not. Some issues with charging following certain convictions of LPR's that lead to complications, but pretty rare.
The due process afforded is the due process to seek relief of removal from the US.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:49 pm to Harry Boutte
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See, it's that squishy shite that isn't good enough for me. That's where the feds love to exceed their authority. If you don't call them on it, they'll keep pushing.
It’s not. Solely based on looks is specifically prohibited. I used likely because for some crimes if a description is given and someone matches that description, then reasonable suspicion can be met. That is in a criminal matter, not immigration matters. You are literally upset at the standard that has been in place for decades and it specifically prohibits what you’re worried about.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:54 pm to Harry Boutte
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Harry Boutte
You wouldn't give a shite about this if Trump wasn't president.
Where were you when Obama was deporting people?
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:57 pm to BBONDS25
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The only thing relevant to this OP is recognizing the judge made a politically motivated erroneous ruling. Will you admit that?
I'm not sure I have enough information to make that call.
US judge bars Border Patrol from some warrantless arrests of suspected undocumented residents
A federal judge in California has barred Border Patrol agents from arresting someone suspected of living in the U.S. illegally unless they have a warrant or a reason to believe the person might flee before a warrant can be obtained.
Tuesday's ruling from U.S. District Judge Jennifer L. Thurston also says Border Patrol agents can’t stop people without having reasonable suspicion or return them to their countries of origin via “voluntary departure” unless that person is informed of their rights and agrees to leave. The ruling only applies to people within the court's Eastern District of California, Thurston said, where dozens of people were swept up in January after the Border Patrol launched an immigration enforcement action dubbed “Operation Return to Sender."
The American Civil Liberties Union sued Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and U.S. Border Patrol officials on behalf of the labor union United Farm Workers and people who were targeted during the Border Patrol raids.
LINK
It's too hard to figure out where all the political bias is coming from, especially without a thorough understanding of all the laws involved. That ruling may be reasonable. Why were they targeted? It seems like that would make a big difference in the ruling.
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None of that is relevant.
Of course it's relevant to the discussion in that it discloses my bias against the federal government.
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When there is a reasonable suspicion of a crime or being here illegally the government always verifies identity.
Um, that's right there in her decision.
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It has been that way for decades. You’re only mad about it now because Trump is in charge.
She's ordering what you demand, why is it then that now YOU are mad about it? Because she's a different party than Trump?
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:57 pm to Harry Boutte
You and the rest of the leftist radical Klan had no problem with this under other admins.
Spare us
Spare us
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:59 pm to BBONDS25
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You are literally upset at the standard that has been in place for decades
The very standard that's in the decision that you're mad about?
I'm not sorry for being wary of federal government overreach.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 4:00 pm to Harry Boutte
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US judge bars Border Patrol from some warrantless arrests of suspected undocumented residents A federal judge in California has barred Border Patrol agents from arresting someone suspected of living in the U.S. illegally unless they have a warrant or a reason to believe the person might flee before a warrant can be obtained.
This is contrary to federal law.
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Um, that's right there in her decision.
That’s been the standard forever. That is all it takes to detain. Per federal law. Her ruling says they cannot do anything without a warrant.
It will be overturned. She should face disciplinary proceedings. It is an awful ruling. You should probably stop defending it…just trust me on that.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 4:00 pm to Harry Boutte
quote:Good for you. Really. Bravo. If you were on campus at Columbia cheering on Hamas, you'd be okay too. Citizenship has its privileges.
I worked closely with the federal government professionally. They will have you believe that their jurisdiction is everywhere at all times. I watched a lot of people knuckle under to that just because it made things easier. I didn't. I fought them whenever I felt they were exceeding their authority.
Now then, back to the topic at hand. A frigging US District Judge just ignored long-standing, established US law, and banned ICE from arresting illegal aliens.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 4:00 pm to loogaroo
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Where were you when Obama was deporting people?
I was at work. Where were you?
Posted on 4/30/25 at 4:01 pm to Harry Boutte
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The very standard that's in the decision that you're mad about?
You didn’t understand what you read. They have always had to have reasonable suspicion to stop someone. She is saying they now have to get a warrant.
You should hate this if you care about the illegals. This will only clog the already backed up courts even more. Which will mean those detained awaiting removal proceedings will be sitting in their cells months longer than they need to.
Whether it’s the law or the immigrants you care about…this ruling is bad.
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 4/30/25 at 4:01 pm to Harry Boutte
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Apparently they want federal employees just walking around demanding to see papers.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 4:02 pm to Harry Boutte
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Where were you?
Working paying taxes to pay your worthless arse.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 4:04 pm to BBONDS25
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Her ruling says they cannot do anything without a warrant.
That's a lie by omission.
At least I declared my biases.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 4:05 pm to BBONDS25
quote:There is a part of this you probably should repeat for him.
You didn’t understand what you read. They have always had to have reasonable suspicion to stop someone. She is saying they now have to get a warrant.
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You didn’t understand what you read.
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You didn’t understand what you read.
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You didn’t understand what you read.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 4:05 pm to Meauxjeaux
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Has anyone asked the ACLU how you determine immigration status or individual circumstance without detaining people?
If I come across any of their people here I’ll be sure to ask.
A bar that quite a few friends of ours frequent was subject to the aclu BS a few years ago.
Fresno Bee
Posted on 4/30/25 at 4:06 pm to Harry Boutte
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That's a lie by omission.
You didn’t understand what you read.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 4:07 pm to Bonkers119
quote:expedited removals don't necessarily even require an immigration judge.
No it's not, and that's why due process exists. It needs to be proven they're here illegally in a court of law.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 4:07 pm to BCreed1
Feds should announce that they won't arrest any illegals at her address. Everywhere else is free game.
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