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re: UPS Fires Hundreds Of Workers Who Defended Fired Colleague
Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:23 pm to AUin02
Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:23 pm to AUin02
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The union is an attempt to provide a solution to a government created problem
Yes and it seems like it's a political problem that will work itself out. But all the citizens love it. It's the city's hospital so all profits just go back into the hospital. It has a kagillion beds and a monorail (not exaggerating) to move patients from building to building. Citizens will never vote against the hospital.
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:25 pm to NbamaTiger90
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I hate to say it this way, but you don't know your arse from a hole in the ground.
Low bidder says hello. Non-union trades are making wadges from the 80's right about now. If any area in the work force needed unions, it's the trades.
You have no clue what you're talking about. The Union Wage Premium (difference in wage between union and non-union employees) has significantly narrowed in the last 20 years. In the private sector is about 5% difference. It has increased a little in the public sector (shocking). And there is virtually no gap concerning middle to high skilled jobs.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:25 pm to Scruffy
I agree with you scruff, I said it earlier, it just like said employees failing a drug test. It was policy, and they broke it. Open and shut.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:25 pm to a want
quote:Yep. And healthcare workers are actually a very easy group to affect negatively.
Yes and it seems like it's a political problem that will work itself out. But all the citizens love it. It's the city's hospital so all profits just go back into the hospital. It has a kagillion beds and a monorail (not exaggerating) to move patients from building to building. Citizens will never vote against the hospital.
They can't strike or refuse to work. There is no way to justify that action.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:29 pm to Godfather1
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That's called the free market
Nah, I normally support the free market. And this is running off on a tangent. But the trades are barely hanging on. No new blood coming in, prices to preform work are dirt cheap. It's now take the low bidder and frick him over and get another contractor in to try to finish the work gain another 10% -15% to CYA.
You are either in a very specialized trade or you are just FOS.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:33 pm to NbamaTiger90
The trades are always changing with advances in technology. Change or die.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:39 pm to NbamaTiger90
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Non-union trades are making wadges from the 80's right about now.
So electricians are making $22,000/year right now?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:39 pm to ScooterCadwallader
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The trades are always changing with advances in technology. Change or die
I agree with that. It used to take 2 years to build a school. Now it must be done in 6-8 months. Technology is a cannibal.
End of thread hijack.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:43 pm to Jake88
You account for inflation and cost of living and it's not far off.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:58 pm to NbamaTiger90
Not quite sure where your located but I have family that works as electricians they are making more than triple that. He'll the plant I work In has contracted electricians, their helpers make double that
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:09 pm to NbamaTiger90
So it's kept up with or exceeded inflation. What's the problem?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:29 pm to wickowick
I haven't read Post the First in this thread, but let me tell you what I know. UPS is a very ball busting work environment. Never seen management and employees be so at odds
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:19 pm to wickowick
I was a dues-paying Teamster for some years before I joined the Army.
I would not have participated in this protest and work-stoppage without the full encouragement, permission and support of my Shop Steward and my local Teamster office.
It would be the height of folly for any employee or group of employees to participate in this work-stoppage without the total encouragement and support of their local Teamster office.
During my time as a Teamster, my manager fired me on the grounds of an "unreported accident". The "accident" was that I got a paint-scratch on the truck's bumper and didn't notice it before I turned in the keys after work. The manager fired me for the paint scratch on the bumper.
My local Teamster office got my job back, with full pay for the two days that I missed work. Company management caved quickly once my Teamster union got involved.
My point is that management can do stupid and unfair things, and, the Teamsters can do good work.
I am against all public-sector unions.
I would not have participated in this protest and work-stoppage without the full encouragement, permission and support of my Shop Steward and my local Teamster office.
It would be the height of folly for any employee or group of employees to participate in this work-stoppage without the total encouragement and support of their local Teamster office.
During my time as a Teamster, my manager fired me on the grounds of an "unreported accident". The "accident" was that I got a paint-scratch on the truck's bumper and didn't notice it before I turned in the keys after work. The manager fired me for the paint scratch on the bumper.
My local Teamster office got my job back, with full pay for the two days that I missed work. Company management caved quickly once my Teamster union got involved.
My point is that management can do stupid and unfair things, and, the Teamsters can do good work.
I am against all public-sector unions.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:38 pm to Champagne
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My point is that management can do stupid and unfair things, and, the Teamsters can do good work.
Yep. My experience.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 12:09 am to baybeefeetz
The funny part of the underlying agenda to push everybody into "good paying jobs with college degrees"
Is that it decreases the supply for blue caller skilled trades, (because that is beneath them) and increases the supply for worthless BS skills.
So the skilled pipe fitter has a better future money-wise than the English degree graduate.
Is that it decreases the supply for blue caller skilled trades, (because that is beneath them) and increases the supply for worthless BS skills.
So the skilled pipe fitter has a better future money-wise than the English degree graduate.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 12:20 am to a want
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Yes and it seems like it's a political problem that will work itself out. But all the citizens love it. It's the city's hospital so all profits just go back into the hospital. It has a kagillion beds and a monorail (not exaggerating) to move patients from building to building. Citizens will never vote against the hospital.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 12:25 am to Scruffy
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Agreed. Also, the union apparently didn't read their own contract.
Well only one is allowed to do that per the union rules
Posted on 4/4/14 at 1:25 am to wickowick
Posted on 4/4/14 at 6:50 am to Volvagia
In Obama's Ecomnomy, they will have thousands lining up to take these peoples place.Its not real smart to go against your contract in one of the worst job markets in modern times. Stupid is as stupid does.
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