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Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:45 pm to SettleDown
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How so? They willfully took off work to make a point to the company.
Used to be, not showing up to work on purpose could get your fired with a quickness.
I never weighed in on this particular situation, I only called out the folks who say that unions should be abolished.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:47 pm to wickowick
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The workers, who are based in Queens, N.Y., walked off the job when Jairo Reyes, a 24-year company veteran and union activist, got in a dispute with the company over the number of hours senior staff could work, according to the New York Daily News.
Obvious question is "what is the racial makeup of the fired group?"...that's really where all this will go if the majority weren't milk white.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:49 pm to trackfan
quote:"Abolishing" unions would be a government overreach that no right thinking libertarian or small c conservative would support.
I never weighed in on this particular situation, I only called out the folks who say that unions should be abolished.
HOWEVER. We should NOT support state and federal laws that support unions or worse.
I even support the concept of striking. If you are a batch of employees that REALLY is valuable to the point that refusing to work makes the company realize you can't be easily replaced, then use that power.
Alas, if you discover that upon striking, they can hire replacements and drive on without skipping a beat, you SEVERELY overestimated your value and should've been happy to have a job.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:51 pm to trackfan
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unions should be abolished.
Yes they should.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:52 pm to trackfan
UPS still being part of the Teamsters union seems odd to me as they are an ESOP company since 1995. All the employees are part of the ESOP since that date. Just food for thought.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:57 pm to The General
So long job lock. Hello to a career in writing haikus.
Here's an interpretive dance they might be able to master.
Here's an interpretive dance they might be able to master.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 5:22 pm to trackfan
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This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 4/3/14 at 5:25 pm to bigblake
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Private sector unionization is really really low
Yup, I think its less than 9% now? If I recall that number being thrown around during the Wisconsin debate
Posted on 4/3/14 at 5:29 pm to bigblake
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 5:30 pm to son of arlo
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d because some union leaders behave unethically
Please enlighten us on what has any union done good here in the past 40 years? I agree that there are very rare circumstances where unions are still needed today but those cases are to protect workers jobs like In the earlier post about the hospital. What unions do now is laughable. They are supposed to protect workers rights. There are labor laws that do that now. All unions are good for is to demand outrageous wages for unskilled workers because they have the liberal mindset of "Hey, it's not fair that an engineer at this plant makes that much money, Jim bob who didn't graduate high school deserves the same amount of pay to screw a bolt in the car because your charging a lot of money for it".
Unions also take dues and throw it all at the Democratic Party In bags.
Unions at one time served a great purpose and still could be a great thing if they focused on what they set out to do. That's protect workers. But like everything else, they got greedy and fell inline with this world has to be free crap and are the Main reason for GMs bankruptcy
You don't have to be in a union to strike BTW. But if it is a policy not to strike and approved by the union, I see no problem with UPS firing all of them. It's the same as failing a drug test
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:29 pm to wickowick
Union workers can rot in Hell. Good riddance.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:30 pm to wickowick
Kudos to the UPS.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:35 pm to L.A.
Update
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Local politicians are threatening to cancel city contracts that give UPS millions of dollars in breaks on parking fines.
"They took a grievance with one employee and turned it into notices of termination with 250 workers," New York City Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer told The Queens Courier. "That’s outrageous. These are good, hardworking employees who have a contract for UPS. To try and break this contract, break this union, is something that is unacceptable and we can’t tolerate."
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UPS fired back that it might need to terminate additional employees if the city alters its contract.
"UPS appreciates its business with the New York public offices," Gaut said. "Ultimately if that business is reduced or eliminated, the result will be reduced need for UPS employees to serve the pick-up and delivery requirements of City offices, potentially impacting the livelihoods of the many local UPS employees that did not join in the illegal work stoppage."
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:49 pm to stat19
There's a lot of ignorance in this thread. How many of you union haters realize how much non-union labor benefits from unions? For example, if there's a union manufacturing plant in close proximity to a non-union plant in the same industry, the non-union plant typically compensates its worker a little more than the union plant in pay and benefits as an incentive to stay non-union. Without the presence of unions, non-union plants would have no incentive to do such things. Any thinking person familiar with history knows that if unions were abolished, labor would eventually backslide to the work conditions of a hundred years ago, because CEO's answer to their boards of directors, whose #1 concern is the bottom line, they don't answer to their laborers. It simply defies human nature to think that a corporation would ever treat its employees fairly over the long term out of a sense of altruism, because defies capitalism itself.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:58 pm to trackfan
Business management trying to be efficient and profitable.....bad.
But all-knowing deity overseeing all aspects of every nuance of business management without any rules or laws but their own whims for their own self-serving ends...good..
Here I thought liberals believe in evolution.
But all-knowing deity overseeing all aspects of every nuance of business management without any rules or laws but their own whims for their own self-serving ends...good..
Here I thought liberals believe in evolution.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:59 pm to ScooterCadwallader
back on point. The workers broke their contract.
I'm sure its within the company's rights to dismiss them. And ninety minutes to UPS is HUGE!
I'm sure its within the company's rights to dismiss them. And ninety minutes to UPS is HUGE!
Posted on 4/3/14 at 7:02 pm to trackfan
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. Any thinking person familiar with history knows that if unions were abolished, labor would eventually backslide to the work conditions of a hundred years ago
what would OSHA say about that?
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It simply defies human nature to think that a corporation would ever treat its employees fairly over the long term out of a sense of altruism, because defies capitalism itself.
do you just presume all employees have no value?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 7:03 pm to son of arlo
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"UPS appreciates its business with the New York public offices," Gaut said. "Ultimately if that business is reduced or eliminated, the result will be reduced need for UPS employees to serve the pick-up and delivery requirements of City offices, potentially impacting the livelihoods of the many local UPS employees that did not join in the illegal work stoppage."
Posted on 4/3/14 at 7:08 pm to Lsut81
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UPS just earned back some of my respect...
Meh.
This doesn't offset their epic suckage.
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