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re: Unless you are prepared in advance spiritually, you will accept the Mark of the Beast

Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:36 am to
Posted by RCDfan1950
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Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:36 am to
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If we can't specifically identify the earthly entity, power, country or countries that is perpetrating these evils that suggest that The End is Near at this point in human history, conversation about the End Times is, IMHO, not worth our time. And not only that, but, if we can't identify the guilty party or parties, we have no hope of being ready for the End Time, if indeed it is near.



Forget "specifically identify"; it's all Subjective, Champ, and in the eye of the beholder. Two people die - one Believes in God, the other don't. Both PERCIEVE the same thing...a dissipation of their Self/Worldly awareness as the atoms/molecules begin absorption back into the Universal Matter/Energy Reservoir.

For a Believer who believes that the Matter/Energy Reservoir is innately Self Aware (God), dissipation and absorption would be a process of expansion and unification into a state of perfect Love. Which is exactly how/what God (via His Word) describes Itself as (for Believers). Going to 'Heaven', to be with God...eternally so. The 'Feeling' therein would be as real as the 'feeling' I now have as I type.


The experience and 'Feeling' of a non-believer's (non-spiritual) reaction to the SAME process of death, would be an acquiescence into whatever they believe. No different than two people looking at a beautiful sunset...one - a Spirit-based person - feeling the positive Spiritual power of Beauty, Awe, Reverence, Love, Mercy and Hope...while the other experiencing...well, I don't know that because it is not my subjective reality. I assume it would be according to the particular individual's infinitely diverse subjective pov.

This 'transition process' wherein a Self is absorbed into the Whole (whether Spirit or Matter/Energy based) would only last a relative instant...and then, only whatever THIS is that is the Source, is left 'standing'. I.e., perceiving. "I Am, the I Am".

WE determine our ultimate reality; that is the only fair way for a Spiritual/God Paradigm to exist. Though God knows and therein "Pre-ordains" our choices. That Pre-ordination would NOT NEGATE Free Will, but rather affirm it.

William James' "The Will to Believe" spells it out; there are 'things' which only become 'real', if one exercises Belief...first. For people whose belief potential is not an "open proposition"...the door of God is closed. The Good Book states that "he that seeks to know God...MUST FIRST BELIEVE that He exists". No belief = no god. With the perceptual consequences therein, for a chosen belief.

I'd like to believe that I won't "accept the Mark", or overtly deny Jesus. But I'd be a fool to think that I'm a stronger man than Peter, who walked with the Master and saw reality-defying miracles...and witnessed in the eyes of Christ...the infinite power of Love expressed in a perfect 'Person'. But I won't be the fool that I generally am. And for that reason, I am comforted that MY Faith, is not based on MY will...but on the Love and Mercy of my Savior, Jesus Christ. Which Belief, I know, is innately foolishness, to Unbelievers. So be it. Don't affect me.

IMO, it will be the calamitous, painful, and perception transforming process of an extraordinarily intensive Ideologically-based conflict wherein dysfunction, collapse and horrific consequence...becomes the perceptual impetus for a Vision of Truth. I.e., the 'Second Coming', of Truth. Or "The Fourth Turning", in a Worldly sense. We can argue or attempt to understand, define, predict or "prepare in advance"...but Religious prophecy and Empirical reality will be a side note to real, Subjective, perception "fundamental transformation"

My apologies for the "Boomer-esque" style which makes the above indecipherable (for some), bordering on insane. We'll all be on the same soon enough. With Subjectivity coloring the 'page'.

Thank you Jesus. Thy Kingdom come. We need it.
Posted by sparkinator
Lake Claiborne
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:00 am to
People in here are getting hung up on the book of revelations being referenced as the first century church, then go back and look at the book of Daniel.

Also look at Jesus’ teachings on who John the baptist was. Or who he could have been.

Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
38637 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:18 am to
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Also look at Jesus’ teachings on who John the baptist was. Or who he could have been.


Profound implication there, s; pivotal really. Most contemporary Christian Theology won't go there.
Posted by sparkinator
Lake Claiborne
Member since Dec 2007
4968 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:04 am to
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Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD. And he will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers . . . (NKJV) Malachi 4:5-6


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Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come. (NKJV) Matt. 11:9-14


John and then Jesus preached repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. When Johns message wasn’t heeded and instead, John was beheaded, the message changed. Jesus knew the kingdom was no longer at hand and with the Jews rejection of the Messiah, then the church age would be ushered in. If the Jews had believed, then the tribulation and then kingdom of heaven (Jesus reign) would have taken place quickly after his death and resurrection.

But they didn’t believe and that allowed the church age to come to pass and the gentiles were preached to. That is why the tribulation and kingdom of heaven have been postponed for 2000 years.



Posted by Coleridge
Houston
Member since Dec 2020
315 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:05 am to
I'd always hoped that the Mark of the Beast would be a cool tattoo.

I'll be disappointed if it's in fact some vaccine. That would be so like the Devil to suck all the joy out of the process.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 10:24 am
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:07 am to
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If the Jews had believed, then the tribulation and then kingdom of heaven (Jesus reign) would have taken place quickly after his death and resurrection.



who said?
Posted by sparkinator
Lake Claiborne
Member since Dec 2007
4968 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:25 am to
Read the book of Matthew.

Paul writes on it as well. The grafting of the fig tree. The gentiles (wild limbs) grafted onto a pure tree (Jews). This is the church age.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 10:28 am
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62389 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:27 am to
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John and then Jesus preached repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. When Johns message wasn’t heeded and instead, John was beheaded, the message changed. Jesus knew the kingdom was no longer at hand and with the Jews rejection of the Messiah, then the church age would be ushered in. If the Jews had believed, then the tribulation and then kingdom of heaven (Jesus reign) would have taken place quickly after his death and resurrection.

But they didn’t believe and that allowed the church age to come to pass and the gentiles were preached to. That is why the tribulation and kingdom of heaven have been postponed for 2000 years.


Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62001 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:30 am to
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Christian Theology won't go there.


What about the Devine Council
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62389 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:31 am to
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Profound implication there, s; pivotal really. Most contemporary Christian Theology won't go there.




Who was he?
Posted by bizeagle
Member since May 2020
1274 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:43 am to
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Every generation since the Disciples thought it was "imminent". Every generation since the Disciples had compelling reasons to think so. If some preacher tells me it's next week in a sermon, I would likely excuse myself. No one knows but the Father. End of discussion!


The difference between the past and this point in time is that the physical technology exists to make possible implementation of the mark of the beast. A tiny chip on a credit card handles virtually any transaction. Cash transactions are phasing out, replaced with electronic. Bitcoin is usable in most countries. From a technology perspective things are aligning that look like key components from biblical prophesy written 2,000+ years ago, when such things looked to be impossible.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62001 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:48 am to
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From a technology perspective things are aligning that look like key components from biblical prophesy written 2,000+ years ago, when such things looked to be impossible.


Yep
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125327 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:50 am to
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John and then Jesus preached repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. When Johns message wasn’t heeded and instead, John was beheaded, the message changed. Jesus knew the kingdom was no longer at hand and with the Jews rejection of the Messiah, then the church age would be ushered in. If the Jews had believed, then the tribulation and then kingdom of heaven (Jesus reign) would have taken place quickly after his death and resurrection.


Jesus was super surprised by John’s beheading.

The Trinity had a Zoom call for two hours after that to rebrand and relaunch the Kingdom message.
Posted by sparkinator
Lake Claiborne
Member since Dec 2007
4968 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:06 am to
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Jesus was super surprised by John’s beheading.

The Trinity had a Zoom call for two hours after that to rebrand and relaunch the Kingdom message.


Just because an offer is made in good faith, and the offerer knows it won’t be accepted, doesn’t make the offer any less valid.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125327 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:07 am to
So you know that sounded crazy. Good.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295801 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:10 am to
I'm not religious, but these people are doing everything they can to duplicate things prophesied.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62001 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:12 am to
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I'm not religious, but these people are doing everything they can to duplicate things prophesied.


You think this is their motivation? Simply to mimic Bible prophecy?
Posted by sparkinator
Lake Claiborne
Member since Dec 2007
4968 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:17 am to
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So you know that sounded crazy. Good.


Crazy? Have you ever offered your kids money for good grades, and you know deep in your soul that some of them won’t collect. Does that make your offer invalid?
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:25 am to
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As a young Christian, 40 plus years ago, I often thought about the end times, the prophecies in the book of Revelation, and the antichrist.



Can I use this as a religious exemption?
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62001 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:28 am to
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Can I use this as a religious exemption?


Sure!
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