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Posted on 11/14/21 at 10:18 pm to Revelator
I’m happy that you are a Christian and I am as well. It’s very tempting for me to write a novel, but it will just lead to unnecessary back and forth on here as many don’t care to hear the truth.
Church age Christians will not be here during the tribulation when the MOB is implemented in the middle of the tribulation after the abomination of desolation. Children and all Christians will be raptured prior to the tribulation and will not be faced with the decision to take the mark. As you know, everyone who takes the mark will go to hell. Christians cannot be unsaved, and we all know some gullible Christians would take the mark if they were left behind. Innocent children cannot go to hell, so they cannot be left behind to take the mark. There will be Christians during the tribulation, but only people who are saved after the rapture and during the tribulation. However, the people left behind will be held to a different standard and will have to endure until the end to be saved. This means not taking the mark and possibly dying for their faith. Since they rejected Christ when they had the opportunity to get saved beforehand, they will be still have an opportunity, but it could come at the cost of their lives.
I don’t care if you don’t believe me. I’m not going to click on the replies to this and I’m not debating. All I can say is do some research and look into what the early church fathers believed. They believed in pre trib rapture long before Darby. One named Irenaeus even knew the apostle John.
Church age Christians will not be here during the tribulation when the MOB is implemented in the middle of the tribulation after the abomination of desolation. Children and all Christians will be raptured prior to the tribulation and will not be faced with the decision to take the mark. As you know, everyone who takes the mark will go to hell. Christians cannot be unsaved, and we all know some gullible Christians would take the mark if they were left behind. Innocent children cannot go to hell, so they cannot be left behind to take the mark. There will be Christians during the tribulation, but only people who are saved after the rapture and during the tribulation. However, the people left behind will be held to a different standard and will have to endure until the end to be saved. This means not taking the mark and possibly dying for their faith. Since they rejected Christ when they had the opportunity to get saved beforehand, they will be still have an opportunity, but it could come at the cost of their lives.
I don’t care if you don’t believe me. I’m not going to click on the replies to this and I’m not debating. All I can say is do some research and look into what the early church fathers believed. They believed in pre trib rapture long before Darby. One named Irenaeus even knew the apostle John.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 10:41 pm to BananaHammock
I'm gonna guess from your response with a flip the bird emoji you're an atheist or agnostic?
Posted on 11/14/21 at 10:43 pm to Bass Tiger
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go off grid and people like the Amish/Mennonite
They make a great beef jerky.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 10:56 pm to Category5
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evil people
I'm asking for something more specific. "Sin", "Satan" and "evil people" isn't specific enough, because these vague references would apply 1,000 years ago just as readily as they apply today.
If we can't specifically identify the earthly entity, power, country or countries that is perpetrating these evils that suggest that The End is Near at this point in human history, conversation about the End Times is, IMHO, not worth our time. And not only that, but, if we can't identify the guilty party or parties, we have no hope of being ready for the End Time, if indeed it is near.
This post was edited on 11/14/21 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 11/15/21 at 12:11 am to Champagne
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I'm asking for something more specific.
Preachers have and always will preach about the end times. It's nothing new. Christians see it inching closer every day. The further people move away from God the closer Satan moves in. God, sin, Satan, evil people, Christians are all specific players today as they were yesterday. I am a Christian, but I'm a work in progress. I am not perfect and all knowing. I don't have a list of names because I can't judge a man's heart, only God can. I don't have all the answers, but I try to share what I know and believe. Those who truly want answers should ask in prayer and they will be answered. Some will never receive an answer because they refuse to hear.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 12:36 am to cssamerican
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I believe if you know scripture, you will know immediately what the mark is when it comes, and you will knowingly make that decision to take it or refuse it.
No one knows what the mark will be. Scripture says, "If the days were not shortened, even the elect would fall."
Reason: The anti-christ will be so good at deception that the elect would fall for the deception if God allowed him to rule longer. This means it will be extremely difficult to recognize the deception.
The vax mandate is being recommended: "Get the vax to save the other person"; "Wear the mask to protect the other person". They claim if you do not comply, then you are wanting to harm others. This is false, and deceptive. The anti-christ will be far more deceptive than this. No deception has existed on earth as bad as the anti-christ.
Stalin, Hitler, etc were very deceptive and fooled millions. The anti-christ will be capable of fooling almost the entire world. He will have a look and a demeanor that appears peaceful, humble, kind, and generous in the beginning. He will fool people into thinking he is there to help. His physical look will be "tall, dark, and handsome", so to speak.
Evil always appears good in the beginning.
Pray always, that you will please God and will be blessed to recognize evil.
This is the beginning.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 5:43 am to FlexDawg
All what you said Flexdog are the same things I’ve been taught about the end times during my 40 plus years of
being a Christian, and I’m not saying any of it is wrong, I’m only acknowledging that there are many other views held in the Christian community that differ from these.
being a Christian, and I’m not saying any of it is wrong, I’m only acknowledging that there are many other views held in the Christian community that differ from these.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 6:39 am to Revelator
I respect that you are frightened, but you are making a very very complex event (singular) in a very very complex series of events (plural)far too plain.
Many things must transpire, including key and significant events that will NOT be easily confused or passed off as normal every day events.
The Bible is the infallible Word of God.
Many things must transpire, including key and significant events that will NOT be easily confused or passed off as normal every day events.
The Bible is the infallible Word of God.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 6:48 am to CoachDon
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I respect that you are frightened, but you are making a very very complex event (singular) in a very very complex series of events (plural)far too plain.
I never said anything about being frightened. In fact, I look forward to Jesus’ return.
However, I have family members who aren’t saved, and kids and grandkids who might have to endure the future calamities.
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Many things must transpire, including key and significant events that will NOT be easily confused or passed off as normal every day events.
All the things that need to transpire could do so quickly
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 6:52 am
Posted on 11/15/21 at 6:58 am to Revelator
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All the things that need to transpire could do so quickly
In God's time of course.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:04 am to Revelator
A lot of good stuff Revelator but I'm going to disagree with this part:
I don't think so for 2 reasons; primarily bc Israel isn't a "whole" nation which is arguably THE biggest block that needs to be checked off. The reason I say it's not a whole nation is bc a big golden mosque sits in the middle of Jerusalem.
Reason #2 is I believe things will get A LOT WORSE before the anti-Christ and the beast show themselves.....just my 16 cents worth.
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imminent.
I don't think so for 2 reasons; primarily bc Israel isn't a "whole" nation which is arguably THE biggest block that needs to be checked off. The reason I say it's not a whole nation is bc a big golden mosque sits in the middle of Jerusalem.
Reason #2 is I believe things will get A LOT WORSE before the anti-Christ and the beast show themselves.....just my 16 cents worth.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:11 am to Wtodd
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imminent
Well, to a Christian, the return of Jesus is always imminent, because we never know when he will return.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:19 am to Revelator
I hear "imminent" a lot in and out of church and it certainly has a subjective meaning for Christians and I know we live in the times of Noah so it could be next week which would another instance when God said, "hey Wtodd, you're wrong again" 
We should prepare ourselves and live like it's imminent.
We should prepare ourselves and live like it's imminent.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:31 am to Revelator
This is not necessarily directed at you or anything you've said during this thread but I had to tag on to someone to get this in. I have been reading and listening to David Jeremiah probably 30 years. It's just one man's opinion and he could be totally wrong. He teaches a lot of eschatology but not in a fire and brimstone, fear mongering way as so many that are trying to sell books do. But, he is just a comforting, soothing way of bringing the message that he is just one of my favorites. Anyway, I just found this with a simple search trying to find out what happens during the tribulation. It's a read with several short videos.
https://www.davidjeremiah.org/age-of-signs/will-people-be-saved-during-the-tribulation
https://www.davidjeremiah.org/age-of-signs/will-people-be-saved-during-the-tribulation
Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:45 am to Diamondawg
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David Jeremiah
I’ve heard of him before, but I can’t recall if I’ve ever heard him preach. I will listen to him when I get time.
Thanks for the link.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:47 am to Revelator
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Revelator
So, do you pray away cancer, or any other illness not named Covid? Not a troll, just genuinely curious what you think of other modern medical treatments.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:54 am to jmon
quote:Not Revelator, but if one believes in the power of prayer, you should pray that "thy will be done" but pray for comfort and healing. Miracles happen in medicine. Maybe it's the medicine but we like to think that God played in hand in that miracle, too. Bad things happen to good people. We ask "why" but rarely get an answer. One of the mysteries I've yet to resolve.
So, do you pray away cancer, or any other illness not named Covid? Not a troll, just genuinely curious what you think of other modern medical treatments.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:07 am to Wtodd
quote:Every generation since the Disciples thought it was "imminent". Every generation since the Disciples had compelling reasons to think so. I don't get caught up in it. Sure, there are lots or problems in the world today. I prepare for hard times (look at the supply chain issues and the likelihood of food shortages, etc.)
imminent.
If some preacher tells me it's next week in a sermon, I would likely excuse myself. No one knows but the Father. End of discussion!
Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:24 am to jmon
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So, do you pray away cancer, or any other illness not named Covid? Not a troll, just genuinely curious what you think of other modern medical treatments.
Does cancer have a 98% plus survivability rate? Apples and oranges
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