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re: University of Arkansas hanging posters of the Ten Commandments around campus

Posted on 11/1/25 at 12:44 pm to
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 11/1/25 at 12:44 pm to
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No use conversing with.



Yeah.

That's what I thought.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 11/1/25 at 12:56 pm to
But I'm the troll...
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 11/1/25 at 12:57 pm to
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You know regardless of religious beliefs if everyone followed those 10 rules the world would be a much better place

I fail to see how…

1. Not making agreements with other people groups.

2. Destroying others’ places of worship and religious relics.

3. Not worshipping other gods in favor of the jealous psychopathic Yahweh whose name is Jealous…

4. Not making images or sculptures of other gods or even Yahweh

5. Keeping the feast of unleavened bread.

6. Sacrificing (killing, on an altar, draining the blood, setting it on fire) the firstborn of animals, and killing a poor animal in place of a human newborn

7. Not working on Saturday

8. Keeping more feasts/festivals (weeks, ingathering)

9. Having all males three times per year see the face of Yahweh, the god of Israel

10. Not boiling a kid in its mother’s milk…

Any of that would make the world a better place.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 11/1/25 at 1:40 pm to
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Not boiling a kid in its mother’s milk… Any of that would make the world a better place.


So you like animal cruelty?
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10715 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 2:41 pm to
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But I'm the troll...


Well, it's either that or you just aren't very bright.

I was trying to be charitable.

I was even trying to be charitable in the very last post. I could have explained that your last post was an example of argument from fallacy (at best...even that analysis would have been charitable).
This post was edited on 11/1/25 at 2:42 pm
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
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Posted on 11/1/25 at 4:04 pm to
I wonder if this will get people to actually remember the Sabbath.


Then maybe they can start keeping it Holy again.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3414 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 11:57 pm to
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I wonder if this will get people to actually remember the Sabbath. Then maybe they can start keeping it Holy again.

Christians simply reject all the commandments inconvenient to them and cherry pick the ones they want to practice.

They want to claim “the Law is a curse” as Paul puts it, and that salvation doesn’t come from works of the Law, yet they want to plaster the 10 commandments from exodus 20 (ignoring the other version of exodus 34) and then breaking the ones they plaster in the schools and courthouses.

Not only do they not keep the sabbath holy but they break the idolatry commandment by making sculptures, drawings, and paintings of Mary and Jesus and for that matter many break the first commandment praying to Mary and the Saints.

The Jehovah’s Witnesses actually follow the 10 commandments and correctly interpret the Greek of John 1:1 into English and most Christians claim the JWs are not Christians.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 11/2/25 at 12:11 am to
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I fail to see how…Any of that would make the world a better place.

You going to continue our discussion about what you quoted from Ex. 34 not being the 10 commandments, or are you conceding the argument and pretending like it didn't happen?
This post was edited on 11/2/25 at 12:12 am
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
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Posted on 11/2/25 at 12:27 am to
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The Jehovah’s Witnesses actually follow the 10 commandments

Yep, they actually worship God.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 11/2/25 at 8:15 am to
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You going to continue our discussion about what you quoted from Ex. 34 not being the 10 commandments, or are you conceding the argument and pretending like it didn't happen?

Your weak apologetic excuses aren’t convincing. Exodus 20 was written by the Priestly source while exodus 34 is from the Yahwist source. Even (secular non-dogmatic open-minded) scholars who aren’t on board the documentary hypothesis acknowledge that the two sets of commandments are different sources.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 11/3/25 at 10:04 am to
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Your weak apologetic excuses aren’t convincing. Exodus 20 was written by the Priestly source while exodus 34 is from the Yahwist source. Even (secular non-dogmatic open-minded) scholars who aren’t on board the documentary hypothesis acknowledge that the two sets of commandments are different sources
So you're now pivoting from grammatical attacks to sources? The sources are only questioned because of confusion about the grammar and style, which aren't problems when you look at the text without a bias against a singular author.

Critics don't know that there were multiple authors; they only suspect that they were based on their own presuppositions.

But even if we assume multiple authors, there is nothing about that that necessitates a contradiction. It's why we don't need to look at the author but at the text, itself, which it seems you have given up on since your arguments don't hold water.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45869 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 10:06 am to
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The Jehovah’s Witnesses actually follow the 10 commandments
Yep, they actually worship God.
If they aren't worshipping the trinity--Father, Son, and Spirit--then they aren't worshipping God, but a god of their own invention.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3414 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 10:51 am to
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So you're now pivoting from grammatical attacks to sources?

What attacks? I’m not attacking anything. Just stating the obvious that exodus 34 is an irreconcilable contradiction of exodus 22, in a very minor way (Moses physically wrote the second set) but in a major way too (the second set, called a replacement or duplicate of the first set, doesn’t remotely match the first set).

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The sources are only questioned because of confusion about the grammar and style, which aren't problems when you look at the text without a bias against a singular author.

There are no problems for me. You have a dogma that you need to defend. I don’t.

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Critics don't know that there were multiple authors; they only suspect that they were based on their own presuppositions.

The opposite is the Truth. Critics have written books, based on evidence and facts, and have published them and passed peer review. Dr. Richard Carrier had a presupposition that Jesus of Nazareth was a real historical figure. When he wrote some of his peer reviewed critical scholarship, he countered his original presupposition because he did research and and gathered evidence and historical and textual facts and published based on his findings. No one writes critical scholarly works based solely on presuppositions.

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there is nothing about that that necessitates a contradiction

There you go again ginning up things in your head based on the remote possibility, though such a thing is implausible and extremely unlikely.

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which it seems you have given up on since your arguments don't hold water.

I haven’t given up on any argument, and my arguments are based on what is most likely, not based on what is not completely impossible.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3414 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 10:54 am to
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It's generally taught that that passage is about moderation and compassion. I don't know why that's so intriguing to you.

You can own people as property - chattel slavery - and give them to your sons as inherited property, and you can beat your slaves, and rape them, but don’t eat a mother bird because it’s all about compassion.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3796 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 11:01 am to
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the trinity



Yeah, that's not "God". Especially when it's not capitalized.

"Thou shalt have none other gods before me"

There is ONE, not three.

Your god died - ostensibly to save your soul.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45869 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 11:18 am to
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What attacks? I’m not attacking anything. Just stating the obvious that exodus 34 is an irreconcilable contradiction of exodus 22, in a very minor way (Moses physically wrote the second set) but in a major way too (the second set, called a replacement or duplicate of the first set, doesn’t remotely match the first set).
I explained to you what is going on here. Your entire argument hinges on the ambiguous "he". It doesn't say "Moses". If it said "Moses", that would be an irreconcilable contradiction. Using the word "he" means it could be either Moses or God, and the rest of the context helps us understand who "he" is.

Even with this statement, you are being deceptive. At best, the verse is ambiguous, and yet you call it an "irreconcilable contradiction". I don't think you know what that means.

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There are no problems for me. You have a dogma that you need to defend. I don’t.
Yes, you do have a problem. You don't want the Bible to be true, because if it is, you are lost. You do hate God and you go out of your way to show that His revelation is false. It's borderline obsessive at this point.

Your dogma prevents you from listening to reason, just as much as what you accuse me of. You can't even take a neutral position on this particular grammatical argument, that at best the word is ambiguous with two possible options. Your dogma prevents you from seeing the alternative.

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The opposite is the Truth. Critics have written books, based on evidence and facts, and have published them and passed peer review. Dr. Richard Carrier had a presupposition that Jesus of Nazareth was a real historical figure. When he wrote some of his peer reviewed critical scholarship, he countered his original presupposition because he did research and and gathered evidence and historical and textual facts and published based on his findings. No one writes critical scholarly works based solely on presuppositions.
The presuppositions feed into the interpretations of the evidence. No one is neutral. You are deceiving yourself if you think otherwise.

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There you go again ginning up things in your head based on the remote possibility, though such a thing is implausible and extremely unlikely
This statement proves my point.

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I haven’t given up on any argument, and my arguments are based on what is most likely, not based on what is not completely impossible.
It seems you have given up on your argument, since you stopped arguing it and started focusing on an alternative author hypothesis. You didn't even address my hypothetical agreement, because your argument is bad and you can't seriously defend it. The best you have is that the word "he" is ambiguous and could be either Moses or God. Instead, you claim it's an "irreconcilable contradiction".
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45869 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 11:23 am to
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Yeah, that's not "God". Especially when it's not capitalized.
God is one essence, in three persons. Capitalization doesn't change that.

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"Thou shalt have none other gods before me"
Correct. There is but one God and no other.

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There is ONE, not three.
Correct. Christians don't believe in three gods, but only one God.

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Your god died - ostensibly to save your soul.
We believe God took on a human nature and that human nature was killed to save souls. God, as God, cannot die. His divine nature cannot die or suffer at all. That's what is called divine impassability.

You should probably brush up on Christian doctrines about the nature and being of God before making statements like these.
Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
1082 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 11:40 am to
Which version of the Ten Commandments are being displayed?
Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
1082 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 11:55 am to
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Murder is generally considered to be a Bad Thing, regardless of your religion.


I'm not sure about that. There is disagreement on the definition of murder between religions and even within religions.

Example: some people believe capital punishment is state sanctioned murder.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3414 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 12:09 pm to
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I explained to you what is going on here

Sure, a bullshite explanation which I reject.

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Your entire argument hinges on the ambiguous "he"

I don’t even completely remember what the original argument was. But your statement is also full of shite. Part of it relies on the fact that in that same verse, Yahweh tells Moses to write down those words and calls them “the” 10 commandments.

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It doesn't say "Moses". If it said "Moses", that would be an irreconcilable contradiction.

It surely would be… for a rational, sane person. You would come up with some excuse though like “Moses and God both wrote it”.

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Using the word "he" means it could be either Moses or God, and the rest of the context helps us understand who "he" is.

Completely agree. And the context is that Yahweh, two sentences before “he” wrote them, commanded Moses to write them.

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Even with this statement, you are being deceptive

You are projecting.

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Yes, you do have a problem

If I have a problem, it is your steady stream of falsehoods.

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You don't want the Bible to be true, because if it is, you are lost

I neither want it nor not want it to be true. The facts are what the evidence shows, and they show that the Bible is full of ancient borrowed mythology, anachronisms, and falsehoods.

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You do hate God

Idiot

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Your dogma prevents you from listening to reason

More projection

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You can't even take a neutral position on this particular grammatical argument, that at best the word is ambiguous with two possible options. Your dogma prevents you from seeing the alternative.

More projection. I can say that it is possible “he” means Yahweh, but that it isn’t plausible, and that the likely reference is Moses. You on the other hand can’t see the alternative and you won’t even admit that the alternative is even possible. You are the close minded one, not me.

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