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re: UMC Church Division Question
Posted on 3/29/23 at 4:23 pm to VolcanicTiger
Posted on 3/29/23 at 4:23 pm to VolcanicTiger
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If you weren't, I apologize.
I wasn't so thanks. I have my opinions about Protestantism, but ultimately I know the individuals sitting down on Sunday are also Christian, and were born into it just like I was born into Catholicism or an Indian person born into Hinduism. I also get defensive when Protestants display their misguided arrogance, so I cannot throw stones.
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Posted on 3/29/23 at 4:26 pm to DarthRebel
we know you post like 10 babe threads a day
i would've figured you for a healing place guy tbh
i would've figured you for a healing place guy tbh
Posted on 3/29/23 at 4:27 pm to Foch
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You remove two of the three legs of a stool and man's two feet are the only thing left to hold it up.
and if you flip it upside down, 3 of these new preachers can sit on it
Posted on 3/29/23 at 4:33 pm to el Gaucho
quote:They're like, "Wait, this is supposed to be punishment?! Punish me harder, Daddy!"
and if you flip it upside down, 3 of these new preachers can sit on it
Posted on 3/29/23 at 4:35 pm to Mo Jeaux
Seems rather familiar as a Catholic.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 4:39 pm to Mo Jeaux
Surprisingly the gay stuff is peanuts compared to the other shite they are fighting about.
You can't have a Christian religion with leaders who believe this. If this kind of thought is acceptable, nothing else really matters. At that point you are just in a club. Basically you are in the Elk's Lodge or the Optimist Club.
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Our divisions are misleadingly reported as mainly about homosexuality. Yes, we have important disagreements over how (not whether) we should genuinely welcome our loved ones who are gay. But as has been well documented, the differences between factions encompass much more.
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Traditionalist United Methodists are more concerned about the UMC’s doctrinal disharmony. A recent survey of Americans in United Methodist congregations found 38% believing that “Jesus committed sins like other people.” Even top denominational leaders have been allowed to publicly deny the resurrection of Christ or undermine belief in His divinity.
You can't have a Christian religion with leaders who believe this. If this kind of thought is acceptable, nothing else really matters. At that point you are just in a club. Basically you are in the Elk's Lodge or the Optimist Club.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 10:30 pm to bleedpg
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Didn't they already meet and vote globally to keep marriage traditionally? This happened before covid. Why have another vote when they already voted?
Yes that's correct. However they have not had a convention since due to COVID reasons as a delay.
What I believe has happened since then was behind the scenes talk to pass the progressive agenda
Traditional won by a very slim margin
Churches are supposed to allow congregation to vote. I've read about some not even allowing a vote. At the end of the day, folks will leave and go to another church
Posted on 3/29/23 at 11:22 pm to Diamondawg
You are correct on the pension fee. We have to get rid of the flame unless it's a permanent fixture and can't be removed. No biggie but they said we could keep the hymnals.
Interesting and frustrating times for sure.
Interesting and frustrating times for sure.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 5:43 am to Diamondawg
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Bishops decided travel would be too honorees for the African delegations
It is interesting that African churches are more scripture based than Amaericsn churches.
I think the progressive Bishops would lose a worldwide vote because the African conference will be unanimous in the support of scripture. They are Christians who are persecuted. They believe. The African churches are very traditional in that they believe in the gospel, and are not brainwashed at colleges.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 6:12 am to DarthRebel
I have my doubts that you don't lust over beautiful women shown in provocative ways in pictures but I'll digress on that.
Even if you don't lust over the provocative picture you do realize that other men do. I certainly do. Being a Christian means being an example for Christ to others. "Iron sharpens Iron".
We are to preach the Gospel always and on some occasions use words.
This is the quote all the progressives use to shame us into silence. We are all sinners. Just because we sin doesn't mean we shouldn't try to call out that sin in our brothers eye. We should try to want the best for others. Calling out sin (even if we too do the same sin) doesn't mean we are better than others or on a high horse. We walk together and try to lift each other up while acknowledging we need Christ to cover our sins in His blood. We should try to sin no more.
Anyway take care sincerely. I mean the best for us all.
Even if you don't lust over the provocative picture you do realize that other men do. I certainly do. Being a Christian means being an example for Christ to others. "Iron sharpens Iron".
We are to preach the Gospel always and on some occasions use words.
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If you are going to cast that stone.
This is the quote all the progressives use to shame us into silence. We are all sinners. Just because we sin doesn't mean we shouldn't try to call out that sin in our brothers eye. We should try to want the best for others. Calling out sin (even if we too do the same sin) doesn't mean we are better than others or on a high horse. We walk together and try to lift each other up while acknowledging we need Christ to cover our sins in His blood. We should try to sin no more.
Anyway take care sincerely. I mean the best for us all.
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 6:57 am
Posted on 3/30/23 at 6:42 am to DarthRebel
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Going back whichever poster in question went on the attack, they thought themselves worthy enough to judge me without even knowing a thing about me. How very Christian of them
If you're talking about me then you are correct in that I do not know you. All I know of you is that you posted a provocative picture of a woman. By posting this picture you are not showing a good example of Christ. Would Christ post provocative pictures of women?
Posted on 4/17/23 at 4:51 pm to NaturalBeam
The Board at First Methodist in Baton Rouge voted to stay in the UMC (NOT to call for a congregation-wide vote).
I hope both groups (UMC and the new Global Methodist Church) can separate peacefully and both can thrive.
I hope both groups (UMC and the new Global Methodist Church) can separate peacefully and both can thrive.
This post was edited on 4/17/23 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 4/17/23 at 4:55 pm to GeorgeWest
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The Board at First Methodist in Baton Rouge voted to stay in the UMC (NOT to call for a congregation-wide vote).
I hope both groups (UMC and the new Global Methodist Church) can separate peacefully and both can thrive.
My church is heading this way. Let a small group decide rather than vote.
I don't give a shite anymore. If they stay and it starts changing (it already has to an extent) then I'll just change churches
Posted on 4/17/23 at 5:25 pm to GeorgeWest
quote:No reason to think they can’t. At FMC Shreveport, we’re going to remain an independent Methodist church but we’ve got the size to do so. Understandably not everyone can. And maybe we’ll join the GMC at some point but it’s not in the current plans.
I hope both groups (UMC and the new Global Methodist Church) can separate peacefully and both can thrive.
But some of the stuff that went on from the Stay UMC folks was a big turnoff to me during this process. And our UMC district superintendent co-signed a letter in support of letting tranny boys play high school sports with girls a couple of years ago - so I wasn’t liking the direction it was heading for us, but hopefully there won’t be any changes for those that vote to (or have to) stay UMC.
I have no doubt the 2024 general conference will see the removal of the gay prohibition from the book of disciplines though.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 6:09 pm to RougeNole
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The gays have infiltrated most mainline Protestant churches
True
In another 50 years or so they will have almost as many gays in the clergy as the catholics do.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 6:23 pm to Loserman
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In another 50 years or so they will have almost as many gays in the clergy as the catholics do.
And the Catholic church still will not have allowed this infiltration to affect doctrine. There's the difference.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 6:32 pm to lake chuck fan
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Paul warned of this many times in his letters. It is happening right before our eyes in churches and society as a whole.
It's amazing how fast all of our traditions are flying apart.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 7:16 pm to DougQuaid
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What is Vatican 2, Alex.
An ecumenical council that clarified existing doctrine and changed some aspects of the liturgy, to put it simply.
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