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re: Um...Buttieg slams evangelicals for supporting POTUS w/affairs- does he realize gay is sin

Posted on 4/7/19 at 7:47 pm to
Posted by GnashRebel
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 7:47 pm to
How about abortion
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 7:49 pm to
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1st Corinthians 6:9-10
Nah
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 7:49 pm to
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Where do people get this? It’s there in the old and New Testament plain as day.
No it isn’t. Never was.
Posted by makersmark1
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 7:50 pm to
Butt is the first syllable of a gay presidential candidate’s name?

Really?

You can’t make better material up!
Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 7:51 pm to
I’m going to put the onus of proving that on you.
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 7:53 pm to
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I’m going to put the onus of proving that on you.

Nah, that’s on you. Sorry.
Posted by BestBanker
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 7:53 pm to
Romans 1:24-32 gives specifics on the subjects of un-Godly behavior.
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 7:54 pm to
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Romans 1:24-32 gives specifics on the subjects of un-Godly behavior.
Who is that passage referring to and why? That’s an important question. You have to completely ignore that question to conclude from that passage that being gay is a sin.
Posted by BestBanker
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 8:00 pm to
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Who is that passage referring to and why? That’s an important question. You have to completely ignore that question to conclude from that passage that being gay is a sin.


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and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
ROMANS 1:27


What did you not read here? And then,
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And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,
ROMANS 1:28


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and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
ROMANS 1:32 NASB


I didn't say you had to believe it. I do. And you're ignoring, not me.
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 8:01 pm to
Paul Buttigeig openly supports economic and social policies that would quickly thrusts the vast majority of Americans into abject poverty. Who he fricks is irrelevant. The man has no standing to question Christians.
Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 8:02 pm to
Stop beating around bushes and prove explicitly where that behavior is condoned. That passage is directed at Christians in Rome and speaking to the godless and wicked.

There’s nothing in the Bible that actively condones and promotes homosexual sex. The opposite is true repeatidy. I’m not saying it’s the end all be all sin. There’s a lot worse out there in terms of affecting other people and the real world consequences, but wishing the Bible didn’t really mean this one thing is a sin doesn’t make it so. I have to own that my lust and greed is just as evil.
Posted by Miner
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 8:02 pm to
All who are ungodly and unrighteous according to verse 18
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 8:05 pm to
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and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
ROMANS 1:27
What men, and why are they the ones being referred to in this passage. That’s important. You do t seem interested in that part, though, because you want to take this out of context to support your gay fetish.
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And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,
ROMANS 1:28
What specifically had these people done to show their contempt for God? Another important question that you are overlooking.
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and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
ROMANS 1:32 NASB
What things? Another important question you are overlooking.

This passage does not say that being gay is a sin. You have taken it out of context to support your personal problem.
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 8:06 pm to
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Stop beating around bushes and prove explicitly where that behavior is condoned.
Not my job. You’re the one saying something is a sin, so you have to do the work.
Posted by CapperVin
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 8:09 pm to
Trumpkins are a special breed. In one breath they claim to be “the righteous god fearing party” who thinks being gay is a sin and yet these same bible thumpers will wish a slow painful death to anyone that opposes their emperor. Just like John McCain. Don’t know how they think they can be taken seriously. Talk about delusional
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 8:10 pm to
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All who are ungodly and unrighteous according to verse 18
No, he was referring to contemporaneous people of Rome who worshipped false idols and thusly had some wacky rituals. Anyone who doesn’t realize this context has no business telling others what is and isn’t a sin.
Posted by SSpaniel
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 8:10 pm to
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This passage does not say that being gay is a sin. You have taken it out of context to support your personal problem.


You've got that exactly 180 degrees backwards.

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18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,g in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.


If it's NOT saying that being gay is a sin, then what IS it saying?

God is giving them over to the sinful desires of their hearts. Which includes the men who "likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another." You can't "spin" that any other way. Sorry. You just can't.
Posted by TopFlightSecurity
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 8:10 pm to
Evangelicals are a joke that's why the participation in church continues to decline.

Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 8:11 pm to
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Trumpkins are a special breed. In one breath they claim to be “the righteous god fearing party”
I'm atheist

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will wish a slow painful death to anyone that opposes their emperor. Just like John McCain.
John McCain isn't "anyone"

Do better
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 8:11 pm to
Not reading your stuff man. Congrats on all the work, though.
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