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re: Ukrainians have now attacked a second critical Russian nuclear early warning radar.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:02 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:02 pm to crazy4lsu
Your hands are bloody man. We destroyed the Misk Accords. Pulled out of the intermediate missle treaty. We made assurances about not contining to move NATO eastward.
This post was edited on 6/16/24 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:02 pm to RiverCityTider
quote:Your revisionist history synopsis is sickening.
RiverCityTider
You pretend Russia didn't agree that, in exchange for Ukraine giving up the nukes it had on its soil when the Soviet Union collapsed, Russia would not only respect but to guarantee Ukraine's territorial integrity.
That was the "Budapest Memorandum" signed in 1994 by Russia and numerous other countries.
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The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
I don't think invading a country and unilaterally annexing a significant part of its territory complies with the idea of "refrain from the threat or use of force against territorial integrity."
You are continuing to convince me that you're a Russian propaganda bot assigned to create division in support of Putin's agenda.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:02 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
Why would NATO countries want nukes to fly?
I think all would be happy if Russia got their asses out of Ukraine.
I think all would be happy if Russia got their asses out of Ukraine.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:04 pm to LSURussian
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You are continuing to convince me that you're a Russian propaganda bot assigned to create division in support of Putin's agenda.
Whether he is or not, we don't know. But most assuredly there is Russian propaganda out there working on our population. Has been and likely always will be. They are good at it.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:09 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Is Trump an agent of Russia?
[They can't answer this because the supporters of this war are the same ones who supported the coup against Trump in 2016]
[They can't answer this because the supporters of this war are the same ones who supported the coup against Trump in 2016]
This post was edited on 6/16/24 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:11 pm to LSURussian
If you cant rely on snopes who can you rely on 
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:12 pm to LSURussian
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Snopes
This post was edited on 6/16/24 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:14 pm to RiverCityTider
quote:Another total lie by you. You continue to parrot Putin's lies in the hopes that if you repeat a lie often enough, it will become accepted as the truth.
We made assurances about not continue to move NATO eastward.
The only "NATO" assurance was West Germany pledged not to allow foreign NATO troops to be stationed on East German soil if Russia would agree to allow the reunification of East and West Germany.
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The treaty they signed in 1990 extended NATO into East Germany, which had been zoned to the Soviet Union. To appease the Soviets, it also granted the territory a "special military status" that ruled out the stationing of foreign NATO forces there.
quote:LINK
The agreement said nothing about NATO’s ability to expand farther east, a process that began with the admission of Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary as members in 1999. Subsequent agreements, like the NATO-Russia Founding Act in 1997, also made no mention of a prohibition on eastward expansion.
"Such an agreement was never made," NATO says in a fact page on its website, one of multiple pages that addresses the Russian allegations. "NATO’s door has been open to new members since it was founded in 1949 — and that has never changed."
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:16 pm to LSURussian
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"Such an agreement was never made," NATO says
Well if NATO says it we must believe
Only a snopes fact check could make this more legit
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:17 pm to RiverCityTider
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Your hands are bloody man.
Nah
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We destroyed the Misk Accords.
Nah
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Pulled out of the intermediate missle treaty.
After a decade of negotiations about it with Russia where they appeared to completely disregard the US's reasons for why they wanted it amended, and after a terrorist attack which settled our commitment to fight things 'over there.' And one of the reasons for our exit, nuclear blackmail, the Russians continually try to do. So who turned out to be right?
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We made assurances about not contining to move NATO eastward.
The only signed agreement between NATO and Russia , the NATO Founding Act, comes with the explicit agreement that Russia could not dictate whether NATO expanded or not. And expanding NATO was the right move, considering your description of Russia as a toddler who has no agency.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:18 pm to LSURussian
I can show you ten different sources for the lies we told Russia about moving east with NATO.
But I've done it before. Over and over. And you people don't care about facts. Throwing facts at you is pearls before swine.
I'm not going to link a bunch of stuff again. I don't have time for this crap.
But I've done it before. Over and over. And you people don't care about facts. Throwing facts at you is pearls before swine.
I'm not going to link a bunch of stuff again. I don't have time for this crap.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:20 pm to RiverCityTider
Burns certainly thought it was a red line.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:20 pm to Bunk Moreland
Thats embarrassing for our Ukraine propogandists Lsurussian and the crazy4lsu loon
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:21 pm to RiverCityTider
quote:
Is Trump an agent of Russia?
No, I don't think he is. I think the evidence suggests they tried to get leverage on him unsuccessfully, the attempt of which Democrats used to disrupt his presidency because they couldn't seem to deal with the fact that no one liked Hiliary.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:21 pm to SDVTiger
The OT thread is a wild spin zone.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:22 pm to Bunk Moreland
Nah not really. You just don't like the fact it exists.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:23 pm to thebigmuffaletta
quote:There are numerous other sources which say the same thing. I would offer you a self-ban bet for me to post them but I already have proven you won't keep your word when you lost the bet.
Snopes
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Oh, what the hell...
However, the Budapest Memorandum, signed on December 5, 1994, resulted in a multilateral agreement affirming Ukraine's security and sovereignty in exchange for giving up the nuclear stocks. The United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia were among the signatories, as was Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine itself. -Newsweek
In 1994, American officials browbeat Ukraine’s newly independent leaders into giving up the nuclear weapons they inherited from the Soviet Union—weapons which could have staved off future aggression from Moscow—in exchange for nebulous “security assurances,” declared as part of the so-called Budapest Memorandum.
Should Ukraine Have Kept Nuclear Weapons? "In return for its disarmament, the United States, United Kingdom, and Russia made security guarantees to Ukraine. Twice, Vladimir Putin egregiously breached these commitments, by annexing Crimea in 2014 and invading in 2022."
You really are a lazy, unintelligent dolt.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:24 pm to RiverCityTider
The only thing you've consistently shown is that you think the way to peace is for the West to capitulate. Putin's December 2021 ultimatum showed he was never serious about peace.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:25 pm to notiger1997
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Putin could easily end this nonsense at anytime.
So can Biden's masters.
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