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re: Ukraine launches largest drone attack ever targeting Moscow's main refinery

Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:16 am to
Posted by stout
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:16 am to
BTW, the obvious concern is diesel but the secondary concern is that this is also going to hurt the availability of sulfur. Sulfur is needed to make phosphates. Phosphates are used to grow food. Food is about to get ridiculous

Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
34248 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:18 am to
Stop arming these nut jobs.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
30239 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:21 am to
Would be awesome to have Zelensky and Putin hanging from a tall tree side by side.
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
5514 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:22 am to
quote:

Hopefully this gets international pressure on Russia to come to the table with reasonable expectations for a war they clearly can't win.


If Russia can't win, I can guarantee you that Ukraine certainly can't either.

Zelensky is poking a bear that can do far greater damage to his country than he can Russia.

That's not a move to make when you agree to "not hit energy targets" negotiating.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:22 am to
quote:

BTW, the obvious concern is diesel but the secondary concern is that this is also going to hurt the availability of sulfur. Sulfur is needed to make phosphates. Phosphates are used to grow food. Food is about to get ridiculous


Lots of poor countries are about to have really bad years.

This is where China gets to find out how fun being a hegemon can be.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
11647 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:31 am to
Trump asked Z not to impair diesel refineries this week. Z goes ahead with malevolent action to destroy refineries. Trump needs to ghost Ukraine, pull out CIA, NSA, Military targeting, and have buddy shutdown starlink in response to Z.
Posted by stout
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Member since Sep 2006
185549 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:32 am to
quote:

This is where China gets to find out how fun being a hegemon can be.


China is the world's leading sulfur producer

The issue is that they still have to import a lot more due to their manufacturing demands.

They will be fine domestically. Those who rely on their exports of fertilizer won't, and we are one of those who import from them despite also producing a ton of sulfur because we don't have the manufacturing capacity to turn it into fertilizer
This post was edited on 9/20/26 at 8:37 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
483543 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:33 am to
quote:

Trevaylin
Trump asked Z not to impair diesel refineries this week. Z goes ahead with malevolent action to destroy refineries. Trump needs to ghost Ukraine, pull out CIA, NSA, Military targeting, and have buddy shutdown starlink in response to Z.


We are trying to put even harsher sanctions on Russia. I wouldn't get your hopes up too bad
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:34 am to
It's more about the countries that they want to claim hegemony over like Bangladesh, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, etc. Etc. One of the things you have to do as a hegemon is help these countries in times of crisis like we're about to face. If China shows that they either can't or won't do this, then they lose the ability to claim hegemony
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
5514 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:36 am to
And it’s not. Neither is gas.

The high cost are from speculators.

All oil prices are set globally by speculators. If oil was simply set by means of production, the US would have $2 dollar gas and diesel.

Never listen to someone who dismisses Globalists as just mere members of an economic think tank.
Their network of working against all things Western is highly documented and the proof of them is all over the EU and it’s immigration policies.
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
8196 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:37 am to
frick that. If Z hit energy after being asked to not do specifically that, pull every fricking dollar from this clown
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
483543 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:37 am to
quote:

The high cost are from speculators.


quote:

Never listen to someone who dismisses Globalists as just mere members of an economic think tank.
Their network of working against all things Western is highly documented and the proof of them is all over the EU and it’s immigration policies.


Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
86774 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:37 am to
Multiple conflicts at the same time will crush us at the pumps. Fortunately my far superior hybrid , driven because I am far morally superior to you rubes, gets 47 to the gallon and I don’t leave my home anyway unless it is to go to the marketplace to buy doilys to fold. Hobbies are important.
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
8387 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:38 am to
quote:

If China shows that they either can't or won't do this, then they lose the ability to claim hegemony

China has shown that they are very good with soft stick hegemony.

Thing is, over time soft stick backfires just as much as our military hegemony is failing us.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
185549 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:44 am to
quote:

If China shows that they either can't or won't do this,


Yea they have to choose between keeping their regional partners loyal or protecting its own global trade.
This post was edited on 9/20/26 at 8:47 am
Posted by tankyank13
NOLA
Member since Nov 2012
8399 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:45 am to
All on purpose, to affect midterms
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
185549 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:46 am to
quote:

Fortunately my far superior hybrid , driven because I am far morally superior to you rubes, gets 47 to the gallon


My wife drives a Prius so she is also morally superior and makes up for both of my vehicles that get 12-14 miles per gallon. One of which is a diesel.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
84200 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:47 am to
Tell Zelensky to stop making our fuel prices so high.
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
2107 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:49 am to
You gotta wonder where were Russia's EW systems and air defenses? You'd think Moscow would be a priority for both.
BTW, the deal about Ukraine not striking energy targets was contingent on Russia agreeing to refrain from targeting energy as well and Putin refused.
FAFO
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
5514 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:55 am to
It means you are just a lawyer who loves to hid behind the Lewinsky letter of law definition “It depends on what your meaning of the word “is” is.

Which simply put means you talk out of your arse. Your downvote deficit accurately reflects it.
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