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re: Ukraine Crisis: What you're not being told
Posted on 3/14/14 at 6:11 am to Sleeping Tiger
Posted on 3/14/14 at 6:11 am to Sleeping Tiger
quote:This stupidity again?
That wasn't about the communist boogyman, that was about pipelines, oil, and currency.
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 6:16 am to Sleeping Tiger
quote:Mobackhair is the Sheriff around here.
Make a point against the OP or move along.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 7:19 am to Navtiger1
quote:
That's not really true we supported the Afghans because we didn't want communism to spread and we figured tying the Russians up in a bloody war would stave off the spread of communism and speed the USSR's decline...which it did.
Communism was already in retreat. As I am sure everyone is aware communism can't work for any length of time and will eventually die of its own weight. The USSR did decline...but the 400 pound canary in the room only took a few steps backward. Russia is poised to become a major factor in world politics....the demise of the Soviet Union only served to make Russia leaner and meaner....and apparently has lead many on Eastern Europe to long to be Russian....
Posted on 3/14/14 at 7:29 am to germandawg
And Romney was ridiculed for even mentioning Russia
Posted on 3/14/14 at 7:30 am to NoNameNeeded
quote:
Can you really blame the Ukrainians and Cossacks, or any Slav demographic for that matter, for being anti-Semitic after what Lazarus Kaganovich's team of genocidal maniacs did to 7 million Ukrainians during Holodomor?
Blame? Not so much. Wonder at the leap of logic that it takes to blame the actions of one person on an entire group of people? Absolutely. Kaganovich didn't act in the name of Judaism...he acted in the name of Stalin.....
Posted on 3/14/14 at 7:32 am to Sleeping Tiger
quote:
Why is it okay that we've backed some pretty bad dudes?
Why would anyone be shocked to find that we had done so once again??? We seem to have a unique ability to bet on the wrong horse. We have an uncanny knack for picking losers....and this time we supposedly got it right???
Posted on 3/14/14 at 7:34 am to germandawg
quote:Indeed.
We seem to have a unique ability to bet on the wrong horse.
Barack Obama bears witness to that.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 8:01 am to Sleeping Tiger
So, let me get this straight, ST -- our very own President Barack Obama is in league with Neo-Nazis?
Is that what you are saying?
Is that what you are saying?
Posted on 3/14/14 at 8:09 am to Champagne
Let's see we have threads that he is with the Muslim Brotherhood, Communists and now neo Nazis. Does it ever end?
Posted on 3/14/14 at 8:13 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
I don't think he is "with" any of those groups, but he definitely has given the first and last ones money.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 8:16 am to Scruffy
Telling me that Eastern Europeans are anti Semitic isn;t news. The Poles and Ukrainians were happy to give their Jews to the Nazis. Only the Dutch didn't do it in Europe.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 8:26 am to Eurocat
quote:
People may be falling for a big KGB disinformation plot here.
Listen to this guy, folks.
Black Flag Operations are a KGB specialty.
Don't dismiss this possible scenario.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 8:33 am to Sleeping Tiger
Impressive, substantive, and worthy of more research on my relatively uneducated part, ST. 
Thanks.
A business associate of mine has a wife who is from Ukraine. Some of her family just arrived to work here. I mentioned her Country's situation...and she became pretty pumped; though I didn't have time to ascertain her sympathies or perspective. I hope to; and will report if worthwhile.
Thanks. A business associate of mine has a wife who is from Ukraine. Some of her family just arrived to work here. I mentioned her Country's situation...and she became pretty pumped; though I didn't have time to ascertain her sympathies or perspective. I hope to; and will report if worthwhile.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 8:53 am to Eurocat
quote:I have been saying this all along. Don't underestimate the Russians' ability to do anything, including murdering innocent civilians, to create the impression the "bad guys" need to be suppressed.
He said that there is belief that the so-called rebels (the ones being described as Nazis and bad guys and snipers) are actually Russian special forces "acting" bad to discredit the new Ukranian government and make them out to be far right and fascist and so on.
I was working in Moscow in the late '90's when three bombs exploded in three different high-rise apartment buildings. The Russian government blamed radical Chechen "terrorists" who wanted to separate from Russia and form their own independent republic of Chechnya. Hundreds of innocent Russian citizens were killed by the bombs.
Later a KGB agent told a Russian TV news reporter the bombs were planted by the Russian secret service, the successor to the KGB, on the orders of Putin so that Putin would have an excuse to re-start the Chechen civil war, which the Russians had previously basically lost when Yeltsin was President of Russia.
The bombings gave Putin the popular support he needed to send Russian troops back into Chechnya and use any means necessary to kill as many Chechens as possible.
After the TV reporter ran a series of reports on what the KGB agent had told her, including facts that only an insider to the bombings would have known along with physical evidence tying the materials used to the Russian military, she was gunned down by automatic weapons as she left her apartment building one morning. Her murder has never been solved.
"In Mother Russia, nothing is as it appears."
Posted on 3/14/14 at 8:56 am to Sleeping Tiger
quote:
The American and European public are being misled on the Ukraine Crisis.
And you're helping.
Dezinformatsia. Look it up.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 8:59 am to Decatur
oh shite. you done it now
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:03 am to Sleeping Tiger
So, the entire western media is in on this? That must have been one hell of a conference call.
Thanks for this conspiracy info, Mr. Limbaugh.
Thanks for this conspiracy info, Mr. Limbaugh.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:04 am to SlowFlowPro
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 9:04 am
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:17 am to LSURussian
quote:Wait.
Don't underestimate the Russians' ability to do anything, including murdering innocent civilians, to create the impression the "bad guys" need to be suppressed.
That doesn't sound fair at all.
. . . . . kind of like you entering a ST thread on the Ukraine
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:35 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Correct.
Suffice it to say, the man in charge, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, is not a neonazi.
I actually met him when I was working as an adviser to the National Bank of Ukraine (their central bank). He was the chairman of the central bank at the time.
He is very bright, both of his parents are college professors, and he has a PhD. in economics along with a master's degree in accounting with an auditing concentration. He also has a law degree and has been the head of a large law firm in Kiev and has worked in a commercial bank in Kiev. He speaks four languages.
He is definitely NOT a neo nazi.
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