re: Ukraine cedes control of port town Mariupol

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At this point in the war, the outcome of the battle for the city is pretty meaningless. Russia can celebrate that it only took 82 days to clear the city. Ukraine can celebrate that they held out for 82 days.

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Yes, sort of like how the Germans celebrated the fall of Stalingrad.

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Um, I posted about it in that thread...

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3 pages after I did

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It’s a bad idea because it won’t bolster morale. It’s going to undermine it.

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Maybe so. But that doesn’t make it bizarre, nefarious, or out of the ordinary for this type of situation.

You are also judging it from the perspective of someone who is 5,000 miles away from the conflict zone and who has access to eleventy billion alternate news sources for verification. You are not Zelensky’s audience. The random guy whose iPhone is on 6% and has been living in the woods or some random bombed out building for 2 months with his 40 year old rifle is the target audience. That is what the sound bites are for. Not sober reflection from someone with the benefit of outside perspective.

I’m not even saying that Zelensky or the Ukraine is particularly righteous in this whole affair. I just cannot grasp why so many people here seem to think they are making a profound position by arguing that Zelensky is “lying” about the situation. What else would he be doing? “Yea, Russia is superior militarily to us in every way. They took Mariupol and we had to surrender your sons to the Russian army. Please keep fighting”?

Isn't Mariupol flattened?

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I heard that the propaganda campaign going on in the Ukraine is the most extensive, sophisticated and largest ever perpetrated in the history of war.

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Where were you for the last 6 years of US politics?

Russia and Ukraine are the two most corrupt countries in Europe.

I hope they both lose

You have no fundamental understanding of wtf has happened there for the last 20 years. You are a child

They are still winning, right. Any day now, the Nazi Azovs will force those dastardly russians all the way back to the Bering Straits. Joe just gave them $40B of your hard earned dollars.

Azov needs more money. We have to send more money and weapons to them asap. God bless those Azov boys.

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Pretty ridiculous and sickening to see so many people, who are “pro democracy” and all this, rooting and cheering for a tyrant, like Vladimir Putin.

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If you want someone to die for “Slava Ukraini!”, jump on a plane and head on over. I hear they’re accepting cannon fodder from the West. Maybe Zelensky will give you a lap dance.