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re: UCLA students protest in because professor corrected black students grammar

Posted on 12/31/14 at 8:43 am to
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 8:43 am to
I saw this shite in law school....except professors didn't correct students.
Posted by Papercutninja
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 8:53 am to
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Posted by BobBoucher
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 8:57 am to
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I would really like to hear the rationalization of why these students did the right thing from this board's resident liberals.


I dont think this is a political issue. Poor grammar is poor grammar. You go to school to learn those types of things, so you should expect to be corrected.

I would say its more of a cultural thing - an idiotic cultural thing to think you can butcher the english language at an institution of higher learning and your profs should be ok with it because its your culture.

F-that. Go to a cultural school then.
Posted by wilfont
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 9:01 am to
Bad grammar - black privilege
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 9:49 am to
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Uh, shouldn't that be "da man" instead of "the man?"



Well, they're in a major university trying hard. So I figured I'd give them extra credik for something.
Posted by Easy
Los Angeles
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 12:07 pm to
There's a little more to it than is implied in your title and link. I'm not saying that I agree with the protest but you don't need to misrepresent something to make a point.

LINK
Posted by Easy
Los Angeles
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 12:09 pm to
An example given was whether or not indigenous people should be capitalized. I'd say that's somehwat subjective and the use of capitals was intentional.
Posted by Easy
Los Angeles
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 12:10 pm to
This happened in 2013. Any updates?
Posted by Walking the Earth
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 12:22 pm to
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I would really like to hear the rationalization of why these students did the right thing from this board's resident liberals.


Come on, Russian.
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
17390 posts
Posted on 12/31/14 at 12:25 pm to
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I saw this shite in law school....except professors didn't correct students.


In the professors' defense, the prospect of arguing against a few hundred law students might steer one towards the philosophy of letting the small stuff slide.
Posted by Sl4m
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 12:27 pm to
They should quite school now while they still know everything.
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 12:29 pm to
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HailHailtoMichigan


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As Social justice warriors run out of meaningful things to make issues out of, you get crap like this. It will only get worse. "Progress" and "Change" have been turned into an ideologic industry that is always looking to further "change" and "progress".

To these morons, it is CHANGE that is the all important thing, rather than the actual, real-world content of the change. 60s envy is real, folks. Kids currently in college live in an America that is remarkably NOT in need of any major reform/protest movements, yet these young people want so much to carry the torch of hippies long dead.

Our idea of "reform" has gone from freedom rides throughout the south to register black people to vote, with the Ku Klux Klan and even many law enforcement authorities literally trying to inflict harm on us, to sitting in schoolrooms because a black student was corrected on his incorrect use of their/they're.

It's depressing to think about. We have gone from "I have a dream" to "gender specific bathrooms are gross discriminatory practices".

We have gone from a profound, sane recognition to prudent reform, to insanity from a grievance industry that is desperate to make ANYTHING an issue.

It's truly a spectacle, and many young people are infected with it.


You and I don't agree on much, but this post is fan-fricking-tastic.
Posted by Asgard Device
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 12:37 pm to
I read somewhere that it was easier for a wealthy black student to get accepted to UCLA than for a very poor Asian student to get in.

"Too many" Asians already, I guess.

This shite is about as idiocracy as it gets.
Posted by Easy
Los Angeles
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 1:04 pm to
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I read somewhere that it was easier for a wealthy black student to get accepted to UCLA than for a very poor Asian student to get in.

"Too many" Asians already, I guess.

This shite is about as idiocracy as it gets.


Where did you read that? As with all california state schools UCLA doesn't allow race to be considered in admissions. The number of black, non-athletes admitted is very small. Maybe only 3 or 4 percent.
Posted by Asgard Device
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 1:15 pm to
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Where did you read that? As with all california state schools UCLA doesn't allow race to be considered in admissions. The number of black, non-athletes admitted is very small. Maybe only 3 or 4 percent.



LINK

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UCLA adopted a new “holistic” admissions system.

As no one will dispute, the purpose of the system was to increase the admission rate of underrepresented minorities, especially African-Americans. Although it did little to increase the admission rates of Latinos, Chicanos, and American Indians, somehow it was spectacular at increasing the African-American admission rate, which increased to 16.5% during the first year of the holistic system, from 11.5% during the last year of the prior system.




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And as Table 8 illustrates, the violations were correlated with race. For instance, of the African American students with a 3.0 holistic score, 26% were admitted. However, of the North Asian students with a 3.0 score, only 3% were admitted. Of the African American students with a 3.5 holistic score, 20% were admitted. Of the North Asian students with a 3.5 holistic score, only 1% were admitted.


Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62024 posts
Posted on 12/31/14 at 1:26 pm to
When things like this are allowed, why would UCLA's actions be surprising;



Decline of Debate: The Sequel

Collegiate debate—the organized, full-contact version, not the dorm-room bull session—has long been the domain of earnest apple-polishers. The kind of strait-laced students who color inside the lines, do all their homework, and look down on the unwashed masses with their A-minus averages. But in recent years, this white-bread subculture has been embracing “diversity,” with predictable results.

At the Cross Examination Debate Association Championships in March, the final match featured two pairs of African-American debaters. Progress! The debate centered around a resolution asking whether or not the president’s war powers should be restricted. The contest was won by the duo from Towson State University, Ameena Ruffin and Korey Johnson, who chose to argue the side of .??.??. well .??.??. it’s hard to say. Here’s the Atlantic’s formulation: “Rather than address the resolution straight on, Ruffin and Johnson, along with other teams of African-Americans, attacked its premise. The more pressing issue, they argued, is how the U.S. government is at war with poor black communities.”

The Weekly Standard

If you think them going off script is bad, you should hear the actual debate; the women sound like they're hyperventilating the whole time and throw around the terms "N-word" and "whitey" like they're going out of style. It sounds to me like they're spouting pure nonsense but, I guess I'm just not open enough to diversity and too closed minded to fully appreciate their debating style.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 1:27 pm to
You are correct and it's not just UCLA. Engineering grad schools in Calif still use Aff action designed to create a higher bar for Asians and a lower bar for blacks, hispanics and females. We need diversity. For some reason.
Posted by Easy
Los Angeles
Member since Dec 2008
5687 posts
Posted on 12/31/14 at 1:29 pm to
Thanks for the link. Although technically not race based it does seem to be a work around.

When the article states that the black admission rate is 16%, does that mean that 16% of all students admitted are black or that 16% of all black applicants are admitted? And it shouldn't be "admitted" anyway. They should use "accepted" since many if not most black students that are accepted end up enrolling somewhere else.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
48197 posts
Posted on 12/31/14 at 1:30 pm to
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Here’s the Atlantic’s formulation: “Rather than address the resolution straight on, Ruffin and Johnson, along with other teams of African-Americans, attacked its premise. The more pressing issue, they argued, is how the U.S. government is at war with poor black communities.”

This is known in the new vernacular as 'having a conversation' about race.
Posted by Easy
Los Angeles
Member since Dec 2008
5687 posts
Posted on 12/31/14 at 1:30 pm to
California doesn't have affirmative action. Officially anyway.
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