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re: Trying to stop child trafficking is now "Qanon-adjacent" and "paranoid"

Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:27 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:27 pm to
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look at the data we have. kidnapping alone is rare
I presume in that statement there is reliance on legal definitions.

E.g., Hypothetically, Pedo Pete identifies a 15y/o homeless girl as a target. He takes her to his brothel with promises of room, board, and a good job. When she realizes the situation and attempts to get out, he ties her down, and invites 30 of his closest buds to run a train.

I'd consider that kidnapping and rape. Judging by how rare you feel kidnapping is in association with underage brothels, I guess you'd regard it as false imprisonment instead?
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
19626 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:28 pm to
Exaggeration is common. It is basic human nature. Just because someone may say they caught a 10# bass when it actually only weighed 8# doesn’t mean they didn’t catch a bass at all.

SFP’s argument seems to be just that in this context. Just because people tend to exaggerate and sensationalize things doesn’t mean that there are not truths that they are based on. After wading through this pit of bullshite, it seems as if SFP’s main argument on why none of this is happening, or even could happen, is because a group of people he absolutely hates is taken a few liberties with a few details. Even though he knows better. Now that is dishonest.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:31 pm to
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The left is high on fear porn regarding this movie
Interesting claim, given that the entire film is fear porn aimed at the preconceptions of the Right.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293903 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:32 pm to
The SFP class is easy to program.

Their new panic is Christian Nationalism..

quote:

Republicans in Texas are pushing white “Christian nationalism” as the state “grows more purple”


Push the right buttons, people with social fixations will not be able to tell reality from fraud.
Posted by bamadontcare
Member since Jun 2013
3542 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:32 pm to
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SFP’s argument seems to be just that in this context. Just because people tend to exaggerate and sensationalize things doesn’t mean that there are not truths that they are based on. After wading through this pit of bullshite, it seems as if SFP’s main argument on why none of this is happening, or even could happen, is because a group of people he absolutely hates is taken a few liberties with a few details. Even though he knows better. Now that is dishonest.


I’m pretty sure that if one publicly and energetically denounces Q
on this here forum then we will be allowed to slightly believe that rare
and completely unorganized instances of child trafficking takes
place in other Nations in very small numbers.


Seems reasonable.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293903 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:36 pm to
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Interesting claim, given that the entire film is fear porn aimed at the preconceptions of the Right.


Spoken like a hypercompartmentalized fairy.

Yes Hank, films about things that have actually happened are aimed at Conservatives to ruin your hedonism. There is no legit reason to worry about this issue.

its all right wing propaganda.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293903 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:37 pm to
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SFP’s argument seems to be just that in this context. Just because people tend to exaggerate and sensationalize things doesn’t mean that there are not truths that they are based on.


Because hes a simpleton and cannot separate his bias after reading that it was Q related.

The two dweebs really don't realize that many leftists are actually don't care for pedophilia, and are actively fighting trafficking/sex slavery.

But yes, its all right wing propagana.
This post was edited on 7/10/23 at 1:41 pm
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
19626 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

Interesting claim, given that the entire film is fear porn aimed at the preconceptions of the Right.


It is just mind blowing that a writer and director made a movie based on a true story yet tweaked some details to make the movie more sensational. We should all be outraged. This has NEVER happened before. If anyone is completely honest and truthful it is the film industry. Because they exaggerated parts in this movie, we should completely discount the “true story” it is based on. Not only that, we should DEMAND that theaters remove it.

Am I doing it right Hank?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293903 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:46 pm to
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It is just mind blowing that a writer and director made a movie based on a true story


One not aimed at any ideology.


The progressive lawyers guild on this board is really taking some lumps. They would be in shock to know that fighting pedos is not simply a right wing cause.

Are they admitting Democrats dont care?
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
19626 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:50 pm to
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Are they admitting Democrats dont care?


Based solely on this thread, it seems they are arguing that Democrats are actually in favor of child trafficking. SFP made a compelling argument that the child sex industry provides job opportunities and revenue for teens that would otherwise be destitute. So, it seems even worse than not caring. They seem to think it is actually a good thing.
Posted by Monahans
Member since Sep 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

Interesting claim, given that the entire film is fear porn aimed at the preconceptions of the Right.

How were you able to come to the conclusion that the depictions and storyline in the film are not rooted in real events?

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293903 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:59 pm to
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How were you able to come to the conclusion that the depictions and storyline in the film are not rooted in real events?


I guarantee

1) Hank has not seen the movie
2) Hank doesnt know what the movie is about
3) Hanks repeating progressive talking points yet again.

So Hank is ignorant and shite flinging.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293903 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 2:00 pm to
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Based solely on this thread, it seems they are arguing that Democrats are actually in favor of child trafficking


They just pretend it does not exist because they don't want to be lumped in with Q or some retarded autistic shite.
Posted by mjthe
Virginia
Member since Oct 2020
6870 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 2:02 pm to
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with Q or some retarded autistic shite.


fify

quote:

with asking questions
Posted by Monahans
Member since Sep 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 2:06 pm to
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I guarantee

1) Hank has not seen the movie
2) Hank doesnt know what the movie is about
3) Hanks repeating progressive talking points yet again.

So Hank is ignorant and shite flinging.

Im actually curious to hear his thoughts on the matter.I don’t believe Hank supports pedophilia so I want to know why he discredits the film and if theres some information out there that would be useful to me in forming my own opinion.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11826 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 2:06 pm to
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with asking questions


That's another media plattitude to signal the same thing as Q Anon
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
18840 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 2:24 pm to
ItNeverRains(PT poster) destroyed the Q’Anon and Sound of Freedom link. The script was started in 2015 and Q’Anon started in 2017. That pretty much wrecks your link between the 2. Argument over. That doesn’t even address the fact that the movie was based on the man’s life story.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293903 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 2:25 pm to
its so easy to control progressives with the red meat of Q anon.

Only hardened ideologues aren't past that shite. On both sides.

Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 3:06 pm to
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Im actually curious to hear (Hank's) thoughts on the matter. I don’t believe Hank supports pedophilia so I want to know why he discredits the film and if theres some information out there that would be useful to me in forming my own opinion.
Greetings. I never "discredited" the film. As I said in my very first post, I've not seen it. I simply challenged the OP on his silly premise.
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Trying to stop child trafficking is now "Qanon-adjacent" and "paranoid"
This is going to ... blow ... your ... mind.

It is ENTIRELY possible for a person BOTH to oppose child trafficking and ALSO to think that a given film (or article or other presentation) is full of Q-anon nonsense.

Is THIS film full of lunatic conspiracy theories? No idea. Clearly, author Charles Bramesco thinks so. When it comes out on video streaming, I will probably watch it and decide for myself.
I will probably like the film when I get around to seeing it, because I have always liked Caviezel as an actor. That will have no bearing upon whether the film is an accurate account. I just like the guy.

You will note that twenty pages later, our boy Roger thought that he was giving us mana from heaven by "predicting" that I've not seen the film that I specifically stated I had not seen. If you are not familiar with Roger, this is par for the course in dealing with him. A complete lack of logic or rational thought are his trademarks, alongside a large dose of GED-level pop psychology.

For the rest of the thread, I have basically just been having fun jacking with the imbeciles who are unable to grasp that one can oppose child trafficking (regarless of whether for labor, sex or highly-unlikely demonic rituals) and still think that many claims regarding child trafficking are little more than wild conspiracy theories. I also had some fun with thoe who cannot grasp that another person might agree with them on some issues, but not hold the same view on other issues and with those who think if another person holds ONE position Leftward from your position means that he holds EVERY position Leftward of yours. Sue me, I was bored, and I find that sort of binary thought entertaining.

From what I have read, the film is a HIGHLY-embellished account of something that Ballard CLAIMS he did. From the time of the events in question, there have been serious doubts as to how much of his claim was true and how much was fiction, but that has little bearing upon whether the film will be entertaining.

If you want to spend $20 to go see a morality play, have fun and give us a review. Personally, I'm waiting until it is streaming.
This post was edited on 7/10/23 at 3:20 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464952 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 3:10 pm to
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wutangfinancial

Not one but TWO different threads were made on this board about this movie today. I told you yesterday the obsession was way more on the victim complex (which is brilliant marketing for the movie) side of things.

I imagine we will keep seeing forms of "are they really trying to silence this movie?" threads for weeks on here.
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