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re: Trying to stop child trafficking is now "Qanon-adjacent" and "paranoid"

Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:09 pm to
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:09 pm to
“I hate gays unless they’re raping kids”


Sincerely, SlowFlowPro
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:13 pm to
Not reading through 25 pages, but have the resident "principled libertarians" tripped over themselves to nitpick an anti-child trafficking documentary?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:16 pm to
They’re using the cover that “it’s a QAnon conspiracy” to attack it.
Posted by AquaAg84
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:23 pm to
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I express myself like the educated adult that I am.

You would not understand.


What an unmitigated and nerd prick. And a hell of a rep for A&M on this board with continued references of 'you people, inbreds, and, imbeciles.' Condescending in every post and has the time to devote to being condescending and an asswipe (supposing here with all of this time spent on a rival message board the entity is retired or semi). Guessing again is that this poster was known originally as KeithDB on TexAgs among other handles after this pricktard got banned there.
This post was edited on 7/9/23 at 10:52 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:25 pm to
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but have the resident "principled libertarians" tripped over themselves to nitpick an anti-child trafficking documentary?


Not much commentary on the movie itself but lots of critiquing of qanon and it's lunacy
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:26 pm to
Not much commentary on my last response to you though.
Posted by MightyYat
StB Garden District
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 12:09 am to
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New Orleans literally became the epicenter of CV19 in the USA shortly after that post


This should automatically ban you from this fricking site for life. NOLA was never the epicenter of anything. I can’t believe you’re still pushing that bullshite 3 years later.
Posted by lsuguy84
Madisonville
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 12:23 am to
Look man, SFP isn’t a “pedo”/“groomer”. I’m not reading through 25 pages of BS, but I can promise you he’s not. That’s just a weird take.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 12:59 am to
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What an unmitigated and nerd prick.


Its all he has going for him

It aint much, but he's clinging to it This is why hes banned from his Aggie site
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 5:23 am to
Dude has womens librarian glasses frim the 50s
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 5:24 am to
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Bro this was a central part of your last post
No.

Those were two individuals who testified before Congress during a discussion of a wider problem.

As you've taken a fairly strong position without much actual evidence to back it, I presumed you were dealing with personal anecdotes (perhaps client experiences) as influences of your thoughts. I'd still be interested as to what those are.
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No you literally used anecdotes.


Here's the first page of about 2,450,000 results, or anecdotes, if you'd prefer. Better?
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Now, my presumption is underage kids working in a brothel are not there because they choose to give their operators/pimps a cut of their earnings, even if they are "runaways". The correlate is kids in that situation are acting under coercion, threat, and manipulation made far easier due to their youth and inexperience (the reason there is an "age of consent")

Again, in terms of the wider problem, the Rosa and Marie testimony was posted to to simply emphasize psychological damage and traumatic differences between forced underage sex trafficking and adult prostitution.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 6:52 am to
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lf but lots of critiquing of qanon and it's lunacy


Which is the hilarious part.

The author connected this to Q, you lap it up and dig a rut. How many regulars posting in this thread were Q aficionados?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 7:37 am to
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Actually, Rog, the issue is people dishonestly calling non-pedos, pedos.
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So are you begging for CP to be posted here?

I never cease to be amazed by the monumentally stupid interpretations that some people produce. JFC, that is the dumbest thing I saw all weekend.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 7:41 am to
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Claiming New Orleans was soon to turn into Italy was the very essence of promoting COVID-1984 fear porn.
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New Orleans literally became the epicenter of CV19 in the USA shortly after that post

These people do not care when they are proven wrong or when their opponent is proven correct. Their opinions have already quick-set into "fact" in their minds, and no amount of REAL facts could change that (even with the aid of a crowbar and a stick of dynamite).
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293874 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 7:43 am to
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These people do not care when they are proven wrong



Neither do you.

Nor do you care. You are one of "these people"
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293874 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 7:45 am to
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Now, my presumption is underage kids working in a brothel are not there because they choose to give their operators/pimps a cut of their earnings,


Yeah, you can tell some of these Basics have lived an extremely sheltered life.

"ThInGs DoNt ExIsT"
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293874 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 7:51 am to
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The party of so many deranged posters on this board.


Sexual abuse among adolescent homeless and runaways is roughly 40%.

Theres an entire underworld out there that is incredibly dark.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464913 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 8:17 am to
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Those were two individuals who testified before Congress during a discussion of a wider problem.

And that is still anecdotal evidence.

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As you've taken a fairly strong position without much actual evidence to back it, I

I think I'm still the only person who posted verifiable information ITT

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Here's the first page of about 2,450,000 results, or anecdotes, if you'd prefer. Better?

So we're talking domestic trafficking?

Domestic sex trafficking is dominated by a familiar paradigm: runaway teen has limited economic opportunity and ends up in prostitution. This has been a literal meme since humans started society.

AS I said in the M/TV thread:

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Young people in sex work are almost exclusively runaways who choose this lifestyle over their former life. Due to many sociological and legal-regulatory reasons, there aren't exactly economic options for 14-17 year olds without a personal infrastructure. Sex work has always been the outlet for this population, and this has literally been a meme since humans created population groupings 10-12k years ago.

Young people are not being kidnapped, in any significant population, into sex slavery where they're moved across the world or are part of occult/demonic rituals. There aren't conspiracies and sex cults and all the stuff that's a part of the secret knowledge you believe primarily because it makes your perceived enemy look bad.


This problem starts at home with bad parents, typically based around all the pathologies we see from lower SES communities. Also sexual abuse by family or family friends is common.

Here is some data

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Societal: Sexualization of children, gender-based violence, strict gender roles, homophobia and transphobia, tolerance of the marginalization of others, lack of awareness of child trafficking, lack of resources for exploited youth, social injustice, structural racism, and tolerance of community and relationship violence.

Community: Under-resourced schools and neighborhoods, community violence, community social norms, gang presence, commercial sex in the area, transient male populations in the area, poverty and lack of employment opportunities. Relationship: Friends/family involved in commercial sex, family dysfunction, intimate partner violence, caregiver loss or separation, lack of awareness of child trafficking; poverty, and unemployment.

Individual: Abuse/neglect, systems involvement (child protection, juvenile justice), homeless/runaway, LGBTQ identity, intellectual and/or developmental disability, truancy, unmonitored/risky internet and social media use, behavioral or mental health concerns, substance use, unaccompanied migration status.


Which teens are most likely to be runaways and face these issues?

-Teens from abusive homes
-Teens from lower SES
-Teens who have experience with foster care
-Black teens
-Teens with developmental disorders
-LGBTQ teens

The Polaris Project

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A study analyzing press releases and online media reports from over a nine year period found that fewer than 10 percent of cases involved kidnapping. The rest were far more complicated, far less “Hollywood.” The danger of these misconceptions is that while we are on high alert for windowless vans and teaching our children about stranger danger, we may well be missing out on what is really going on.


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Traffickers tend to prey on people who are economically or socially vulnerable such as youth who are living in poverty, or on the streets, or experience physical or sexual abuse, or addiction.


Covenant House

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Why do human traffickers specifically target youth facing homelessness? Because these young people present a low-risk business proposition and are relatively easy to lure from the streets with promises of love, protection, food, and financial security. Because of their vulnerability, children and teens with no place to call home and no one to care for them make easy prey for traffickers.

Our research shows that 68% of youth who had either been trafficked or engaged in survival sex had done so while homeless. What’s more, 22% of youth were approached for paid sex on their first night of homelessness.


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What We’ve Learned from Survivors of Human Trafficking

Most human trafficking victims are not in chains. Instead, pimps may use psychological and emotional coercion that is just as effective. Many victims become traumatically bonded to their pimps; despite enduring horrific violence, they believe the pimps love them.

Traffickers deny their victims independence, education, and the ability to gain employment skills. This may intensify the desperate feeling of human trafficking victims that they have no way out.

Traffickers also may exert control over their victims by giving them drugs to create dependency, confiscating their identification documents and money, withholding food or sleep, and isolating victims from their families and friends, among other tactics.

Human traffickers exploit the lack of available beds for unhoused youth. They manipulate young people by telling them that shelters are full and promising them a safe place to sleep elsewhere.

Young people facing homelessness often have to make the desperate choice between sleeping on the street or going with a pimp who offers them food and shelter.


Again, as I posted in the other thread (in response to someone asking if I had children):

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Statistically it's very unlikely they'd be trafficked.

I'm not a (physical or emotional) abuser and I should provide a good-great SES and stable home environment. I won't reject him/her if they're LGBTQ, either. Also I'm white, which helps.

You do the things I listed above and the odds of your children becoming trafficked are probably in the 1 in 10M range. Statistically 0.


Teen runaways becoming prostitutes is a function of our huge underclass. Fixing this issue involves the same unicorn policies that would fix all of the other pathologies flowing from this population (insane violent crime rate, low test scores, teen pregnancy, STD rates, drug abuse, etc.)

One realistic (but against my abstract principles) policy would be flooding CPS/DCFS and foster systems with money to raise both the quality of the workers, but also the quality of the institution and foster parents. Working to change the stigma on being foster parents. I mean if our institutional systems in place to save kids from bad homes increases their chances of ending up working black markets, then that is a problem.

Then there is the go-to: promoting advancement in economic status. Now, how to achieve that will vary based on your placement on the political spectrum. At the heart of the issue, this is the only way to really put a dent in domestic trafficking, b/c our Underclass is primary creator of the supply of trafficked teens. We're not going to put a dent in this problem until we address the root cause of how this paradigm occurs. That root cause is lower SES status/culture (the same with all the other pathologies that flow from this population).
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 8:20 am to
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Yeah, you can tell some of these Basics have lived an extremely sheltered life.

"ThInGs DoNt ExIsT"

Roger, literally nobody has argued that homeless teens aren't ending up in prostitution.

Literally
Nobody
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 8:25 am to
I'm amazed this thread is 25 pages long.

To spare me reading through 25 pages of posts, who are the pedo sympathizers in here?
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