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re: Trusting Science: What makes a human? "being born, that's why we have birthdays."

Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:08 pm to
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:08 pm to
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I don't believe science has any part in making this determination because it's entirely up to the society in question to make that decision.
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as a pro-choice person, I fully agree.

For whatever reason, people often seek in science the answers to questions that only philosophy can answer, and they seek binary, blank-and-white answers where the real world is filled with shades of gray. Human nature, I suppose.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30162 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:25 pm to
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as a pro-choice person, I fully agree. There is no standard on when it is a human being.

Even our laws don't agree. We have laws that if a pregnant woman is killed, the murdered can be charged with double homicide.

Yet we also have laws that don't allow you to claim pregnancy as a dependent. So there really is no clear cut time when it becomes a full human.


The laws can definitely be contradictory. However there needs to be a clear line in my opinion.

And like everything else that can be incredibly subjective, I fully believe that decision should be left completely up to the citizens of individual states. The federal government shouldn't make that determination one way or the other.



Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73414 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:29 pm to
Raskin was discussing what a nationwide abortion ban would mean for victims of rape and incest with witness and Americans United for Life President and CEO Catherine Glenn Foster, and he came to immediately regret that decision.

@greg_price11
Raskin: "The GOP witness is calling for a nationwide ban on abortions with no exceptions for rape and incest."

Foster: "If we added rape and incest exceptions, would you vote for it?"

Raskin: "Reclaiming my time."
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73414 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:32 pm to
@townhallcom
.@RepDanBishop: "Do you believe...that men can get pregnant and have abortions?"

Democrat abortion witness: "Yes."

@kimketola
There goes abortion as a woman's issue.
Posted by LC Baw
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Jan 2021
233 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:43 pm to
The unborn is only a human if it is killed while inside the womb via homicide???
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16369 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 2:11 pm to
The pro-abort witness is making a functional argument for personhood. IOW, at first breath.

So if you ever get the wind knocked out of you, you cease being a person.

Correctly, personhood is an ontological thing. You are one from the time your dad's egg fertilized your mom's egg.
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
10299 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 2:49 pm to
noun
any individual of the genus Homo, especially a member of the species Homo sapiens.

a person, especially as distinguished from other animals or as representing the human species:
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31437 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 4:55 pm to
Now do gender-reveal parties.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
98715 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 4:57 pm to
How does Mike Johnson know? Is he a Biologist?
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
6439 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 5:05 pm to
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And like everything else that can be incredibly subjective, I fully believe that decision should be left completely up to the citizens of individual states. The federal government shouldn't make that determination one way or the other.



Except it is not at all subjective. Life begins at conception. Homeostasis, consuming and expending energy, reacting to stimuli, whatever biological test for 'life' you want to come up with, begins at conception.

People who want to kill babies have done a great job in making it a philosophical debate, but there is an objective marker. People who reject that notion are not honest.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42508 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 5:06 pm to
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Dem pro-abortion witness

should be defendant
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