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re: Trumps next target - net neutrality say Admin officials
Posted on 4/1/17 at 6:07 pm to CorporateTiger
Posted on 4/1/17 at 6:07 pm to CorporateTiger
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Rolling back regs at the federal level while competition stifling rules in place at the local/state level is g onna be a disaster.
This.
It's cute how conservatives including the Freedom caucus will make a big stink about net neutrality while blatantly ignoring that big telecoms have bought off state legislators and municipal officials to still preserve their monopoly as best as they can regardless of whatever action the feds take.
Not even people Justin Amash and Rand Paul acknowledge this and they're as anti corruption as it gets.
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Posted on 4/1/17 at 6:09 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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We did just fine without NN for two decades.
Because big telecoms weren't throttling sites, trying to charge people access to them and using government fiat to crush competition.
Net Neutrality needs to be left alone.
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That should worry Republicans. The tech industry is full of proggies.
Proggies may be wrong about a ton of things but they're not wrong on this one. You should appreciate that they don't want the ability to block news sites enough to make net neutrality go away.
This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 4/1/17 at 6:12 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Shitty products are more quickly replaced.
Again.
How?
Its an enforced monopoly. And that isn't changing. At least now, I can use a 3rd party ISP using dark fiber.
No NN, even that goes away.
Right now, practically speaking you still only have two sources for Internet: The phone company and the cable company. Guess what, no NN and thats still the case. Except you lost a protection against being raped.
This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 4/1/17 at 6:14 pm to Volvagia
Threads like this showcase how some conservatives are willing to be ignorant, ignore logic and simple reality to satisfy their ideology.
Pragmatism rules the way.
Pragmatism rules the way.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 6:15 pm to Sentrius
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Proggies may be wrong about a ton of things but they're not wrong on this one. You should appreciate that they don't want the ability to block news sites enough to make net neutrality go away.
I meant the proggies will block Fox, Breitbart, etc.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 6:24 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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I meant the proggies will block Fox, Breitbart, etc.
Do away with net neutrality and they'll be able to.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 6:35 pm to DavidTheGnome
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I highly doubt the new neighborhoods or schools are effecting your connection...
I'll just take the word of my ISP techs, who have said on every visit that they keep lobbying for more equipment, since our community started small and has grown rapidly
Posted on 4/1/17 at 6:46 pm to League Champs
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I'll just take the word of my ISP techs, who have said on every visit that they keep lobbying for more equipment, since our community started small and has grown rapidly
What kind of connection do you have? Cable? DSL?
When the Comcast guy came to my house it was evident he didn't know shite beyond his couple of day training. Just like the Geek Squad aren't mad programmers either. Because some kid says something doesn't make it so.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 7:13 pm to Bass Tiger
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Net neutrality's a farce, it's a bunch of damn lobbyists from Google, Yahoo, AT+T, Verizon, etc. fighting over open and free access to the internet regardless of who invested billions to design and build it. If y'all want unrestricted access to the internet you might as well have AT+T take it all back over just like the "Ma Bell" days and have the damn government run it....., is that what you want?
Yeah, you named companies fighting on both sides of the issue.
And the truth is, we paid to have it built through billions of dollars of tax credits, staying in the 90s. But because at&t and other telecoms were greedy, they didn't properly connect our country with fiber networks, so we've given them billions more in tax credits to finish the job.
And Google and Yahoo will survive the end of net neutrality. It'll be the small start ups that won't be able to compete. It'll hurt innovation in our country.
It could possibly even allow companies to respect people's access to media they disike, even censoring news. You think there's a liberal media conspiracy? NBC is owned by Comcast. Comcast could throttle the speed of rival news sites.
If you're against net neutrality, you're either a greedy bastard that's going to profit from it, or you've willing drank the kool-aid. We need to keep all of the tubes the same diameter.
This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 4/1/17 at 7:15 pm to League Champs
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I'll just take the word of my ISP techs, who have said on every visit that they keep lobbying for more equipment, since our community started small and has grown rapidly
Those guys don't know as much as you think
They are there too hook up wires
They don't handle the networking aspect
Posted on 4/1/17 at 7:17 pm to DavidTheGnome
Massive amounts of Americans made it easier to justify, & accelerate this process by cord cutting. How long did ppl think the cable/net companies were gonna let an increasingly smaller portion of their market
(who pays their more than their fair share of internet use by paying for cable)
continue compensating for the free-loading cord-cutters?
Just like the housing crisis, the people are partly to blame for this...greed...but no one wants to look in the mirror & own their contribution.
(who pays their more than their fair share of internet use by paying for cable)
continue compensating for the free-loading cord-cutters?
Just like the housing crisis, the people are partly to blame for this...greed...but no one wants to look in the mirror & own their contribution.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 7:30 pm to AjaxFury
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Massive amounts of Americans made it easier to justify, & accelerate this process by cord cutting. How long did ppl think the cable/net companies were gonna let an increasingly smaller portion of their market
(who pays their more than their fair share of internet use by paying for cable)
continue compensating for the free-loading cord-cutters?
Just like the housing crisis, the people are partly to blame for this...greed...but no one wants to look in the mirror & own their contribution.
The problem is just about every isp is also a cable tv provider. They give out blatant lies about throttling bandwidth and using data caps. We all know it's bc they are losing money on tv. That's one reason bundles are being pushed so hard now. Make your internet cheaper while still latching you to tv.
Here is the bullshite reason cable one gave for their absurdly low data caps, when a customers complained to the FCC and the provider actually had to respond.
quote:
"If Cable One fails to properly balance cost and capability, people will stop buying its services and go to a competitor who does a better job of meeting the needs of the buying public," states Cable ONE.
What a crock of shite bc most of the markets they are the only player in town.
So they are scared people are going to leave once someone else shows up
This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 4/1/17 at 7:45 pm to Sentrius
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This is one of those issues that has broad bipartisan support. The only exceptions being the bought and paid for by big telecom republicans in DC.
Trump needs to leave net neutrality alone if he knows what's good for America and himself as well and especially if he doesn't want his approval rating to get worse.
net neutrality you read about on reddit...is NOT what was passed.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:05 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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They are there too hook up wires
They don't handle the networking aspect
Our community was small enough they had to do both. Was only 3 techs, now up to 11
My cell company said the same thing. Had to issue a credit for a couple days, because service was so bad while they upgraded the towers
Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:26 pm to AjaxFury
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How long did ppl think the cable/net companies were gonna let an increasingly smaller portion of their market
(who pays their more than their fair share of internet use by paying for cable)
continue compensating for the free-loading cord-cutters?
What in the actual frick is this shite? So you are claiming it's somehow the consumer's fault that they priced things such that those with Internet only weren't paying their portion of line upkeep?
Hey, if you want to bundle and give a discount, more power to them. (Which is what they do BTW, so GTFO with this freeloader BS as you often pay more to have internet alone compared to Internet + something).
It's only when the cable companies were losing profits because competition existed via Internet did they attempt to find backdoor ways to shut it down.
And that's the end goal of removing net neutrality. To force you to at least pay as much money for any alternative service as their own.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:42 pm to League Champs
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Our community was small enough they had to do both. Was only 3 techs, now up to 11
You don't understand what I'm saying
Those techs do basic tier one plug and play
They call back for the tier two people who actually understand how this stuff works to do any real configuration if they run into issues.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:42 pm to League Champs
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Our community was small enough they had to do both. Was only 3 techs, now up to 11
My cell company said the same thing. Had to issue a credit for a couple days, because service was so bad while they upgraded the towers
I highly doubt the techs doing the installation had any knowledge of the overall ISP network capacity no matter how small of a town.
And you never answered my question before, did your speed actually drop? What I find much more probable is that it remained the same and you added devices or tried to do more with the same connection (streaming Netflix when you didn't before and it just seems slow, or doing he vs reg def). And are you on cable or dsl (or one of those wireless connections they sell to people in the sticks, in which case who knows)?
Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:44 pm to DavidTheGnome
If you look at his post history regarding the internet
He doesn't know much.
He doesn't know much.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:48 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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If you look at his post history regarding the internet
He doesn't know much.
I get that (regarding this topic anyways), but these people are going to get their way even if they have no idea what they are arguing for their way to be. He's been told what to think so we could go on for pages and no minds get changed, but it's too critical of a topic to simply ignore and say oh well.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:49 pm to DavidTheGnome
He actually said he wants fast lanes
Like what in the frick
Like what in the frick
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