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re: Trumps next target - net neutrality say Admin officials

Posted on 4/1/17 at 3:47 pm to
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 3:47 pm to
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ISPs give out some bullsht lie that the reasons data caps are in place are bc there isn't enough bandwidth.

But in my case its true

2 new subdivisions, and 2 new schools have been built, and my service is the worst that it has ever been

If I could purchase a fast lane plan, that lets me pick my preferred browsing. Hello?
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23514 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 3:50 pm to
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He must like ISPs telling him how much internet he can use.


I like innovation and I hate government created utility monopolies.

I oppose legislation that contradicts my preferences.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125863 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 3:50 pm to
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But in my case its true

2 new subdivisions, and 2 new schools have been built, and my service is the worst that it has ever been

If I could purchase a fast lane plan, that lets me pick my preferred browsing. Hello?



You want fast lanes? man you are fricking lost

ISPs started imposing caps bc they are losing money with cord cutter not buying cable tv.

You honestly know nothing about this topic.

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Over the past week, we’ve detailed Comcast’s continued efforts to spread data caps to more of its markets in the United States. Starting December 1st, nine additional markets in the states of Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee and Virginia, will be hit with 300GB monthly data caps. But of course, these same customers have the option of opting for unlimited data, but they will have to pay an additional $35 per month. The assumption was that Comcast was making this move because of “data hogs” that were slowing the network down for others — you know, “The needs of the man outweigh the needs of the few.” However, leaked Comcast documentation which is meant for the company’s customer service staff, tells a different story.


Comcast wants its representatives to carefully stay on script and on message when questioned by customers who will no doubt either be confused or downright angry about newly imposed data caps. The company spells it out right there in plain language. There aren’t any other factors at play here other than the fact that Comcast often has little competition in the markets it operates. And if there’s no real competition, it can adjust its policies and effectively raise prices on customers because they really have no other alternative to choose from.

In markets where Comcast does face the prospect of actual stiff competition from municipal Internet service providers, it often will file lawsuits to protect its turf. In the case of Chattanooga, TN, those legal efforts backfired and residents are now better served by the Chattanooga Electric Power Board’s Internet, TV and phone services (available as standalone services, or in bundles).



This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 4:32 pm
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125863 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 3:52 pm to
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I like innovation and I hate government created utility monopolies.

I oppose legislation that contradicts my preferences.




Well these monopolies have been created by ISPs buying off local gov't. The local gov't won't let other ISPs come into the area and compete. The area i just moved too yesterday is a perfect example of that.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
29883 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 3:55 pm to
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But in my case its true

2 new subdivisions, and 2 new schools have been built, and my service is the worst that it has ever been



Are you actually experiencing slower speeds or has the content of the internet outstripped your connection? Or maybe you have more devices connected and your router sucks? I highly doubt the new neighborhoods or schools are effecting your connection...
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23514 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 3:56 pm to
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Well these monopolies have been created by ISPs buying off local gov't. The local gov't won't let other ISPs come into the area and compete. The area i just moved too yesterday is a perfect example of that.


I understand your frustration. But be patient and never underestimate this country's ability to innovate around shitty products. This legislation only placates everyone enough to prolong the existence of these shitbag dinosaurs.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125863 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 3:59 pm to
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I understand your frustration. But be patient and never underestimate this country's ability to innovate around shitty products. This legislation only placates everyone enough to prolong the existence of these shitbag dinosaurs.



Sorry, but you see ISPs with lack of competition have no reason to increase their service. When they do they charge way more than it should cost b/c sometimes they are the only option in some areas.

There can't be any new innovation if NN goes away bc there is no new competition. Take away NN and it makes it much harder for new upstart ISPs. Or cities creating their own network at a fair price for its residents.
This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 4:01 pm
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52064 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 4:03 pm to
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ISps are like any other business , they will provide what their customers want, without a government mandate that they do so.



No, they will do whatever they need to protect their bottom line.

Oh, you don't want to buy cable TV?

That's fine. You are going to have to pay extra if you want to go full speed on streaming media sites though.


Come on man, if they didn't want to play games on the issue, why are they pushing go hard for the freedom to do so.

And if you think Comcast has a storied history of caring what their customers want you obviously haven't been paying attention.


All net neutrality means is that you have to treat every bit that passes through them equally. That's all. ISPs want to be able to say, "Well, I know you bought this overall speed package, but you are trying to get to Netflix and you don't have our premium plus teir plan so you will be getting slower speeds at that site."
This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 4:08 pm
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
24351 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 4:04 pm to
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You guys are crazy, seriously.

ISps are like any other business , they will provide what their customers want, without a government mandate that they do so.



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HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay


King Cuck over here. Does Verizon or Comcast at least have the courtesy to spit on it first?
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
29883 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 4:06 pm to
Not just ISPs but moreso there will be less innovation on the content side, less websites, etc. It's easy to see the rest of the world leaving us in the digital dust because shot ourselves in the foot with something so valuable. At least Comcast will be happy though.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52064 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 4:07 pm to
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neutrality's a farce, it's a bunch of damn lobbyists from Google, Yahoo, AT+T, Verizon, etc. fighting over open and free access to the internet regardless of who invested billions to design and build it. If y'all want unrestricted access to the internet you might as well have AT+T take it all back over just like the "Ma Bell" days and have the damn government run it....., is that what you want?



Yeahhhhhh

You don't understand what net neutrality is about.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23514 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 4:08 pm to
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Sorry, but you see ISPs with lack of competition have no reason to increase their service. When they do they charge way more than it should cost b/c sometimes they are the only option in some areas.

There can't be any new innovation if NN goes away bc there is no new competition. Take away NN and it makes it much harder for new upstart ISPs. Or cities creating their own network at a fair price for its residents.


So short sighted.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125863 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 4:09 pm to
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You don't understand what net neutrality is about.



Most of the trumpkins or hard core republicans don't

Arguing with people who don't understand the internet is frustrating. But those are the people the WH is relying on backing them.

They are probably also the people not using much data.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125863 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 4:11 pm to
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So short sighted.


No its not

you clearly just don't get it.

If ISPs had it their way, aka no NN. Internet in America would continue to be substandard and over priced.

Please explain how new invitation and new ISPs can get into markets when local gov't won't allow it?
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52064 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 4:11 pm to
Let's keep the bullshite identity politics and labeling out of this, mmmmkay?
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125863 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 4:14 pm to
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Let's keep the bullshite identity politics and labeling out of this, mmmmkay?



Elections have consequences
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52064 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 4:19 pm to
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So short sighted.


No, what's short sighted is the lack of knowledge of the reason for net neutrality is due to the amalgamation that is the Internet.

Let's say my ISP is wonderful and is trying to serve me, the customer well. My ISP gets their root service from Comcast, and they get along well. But the server I'm trying to reach ideally needs to pass through some AT&T backbone, which is in the middle of a contract fight with Comcast.

So my traffic is either slowed, or has to be excessively rerouted, as collateral damage in a battle that isn't part of me or my ISP. Any complaint I can have is nothing because I have no grounds with the companies involved, I'm not their customer, and it's small transient fries compared to their big picture.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52064 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 4:20 pm to
Except there is a lot of bipartisan opposition to this.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125863 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 4:25 pm to
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One last thought on this- Has anyone actually looked at ISPs outside of the US- its sad how behind we are in price and speed.




As someone who just spent the last 5 years abroad, o yea

In Germany, i got 100 down, for 20 euro a month the first year then went to 30. No caps or any other restrictions

In England. 100 down fiber to my door about 25 pounds a month. No cap or any other restrictions.

So here is a great example of all ISPs in England being able to compete.

So for a couple years the major ISPs in the UK started implementing a line rental charge bc no one was using landline phones so they tied your internet to a line rental charge. Vodafone enters the ISP game in England offering fiber to the door at good prices and with no line rental. All of a sudden all the rest of the ISPs got rid of line rental charges. Thus lowering everyone's bill.

Crazy I know.
This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 4:28 pm
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125863 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 4:26 pm to
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Except there is a lot of bipartisan opposition to this.



True, its just frustrating to see how blind a certain group of people can be on this.

I like small gov't so no way in frick should the gov't be able to control who enters the ISP game.
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