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re: Trump's new EO is a little concerning. STRENGTHENING AND UNLEASHING AMERICA’S LAW ENFORCEM

Posted on 4/28/25 at 9:16 pm to
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/28/25 at 9:16 pm to
All that matters is your kids go to public failing schools.

Her urchins daycare gets paid for.
Posted by FLTech
he/won
Member since Sep 2017
28275 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 9:18 pm to
Yea.. Biden and Kamala silenced millions of Americans.. threw thousands in jail for no reason but that was perfectly ok huh?
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 4/28/25 at 9:25 pm to
Tried to make sense of all the legalese, so fed it to grok to translate the eo into common language while considering the Constitution and grok got a little saucy.
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The Executive Order: A Federal Power Grab Over Local Policing

This executive order, marketed as a boost for "law and order," is a bold move by the federal government to tighten its grip on local police and communities across America. It’s not just about fighting crime—it’s about shifting power from your town to Washington, D.C., with echoes of the Patriot Act’s overreach. Here’s what it means for every American.

Cops Get a Legal Shield—Accountability Takes a Hit

The order promises legal protections for police officers facing lawsuits. On the surface, it’s a nod to cops doing tough jobs. But dig deeper: it’s a step toward making police untouchable. Qualified immunity already lets too many cases of brutality or wrongful arrests slide. This order doubles down, raising the bar to sue or discipline officers. It’s less about protecting good cops and more about handing bad ones a free pass. When accountability fades, trust in the system erodes.

Oversight Gutted: No More Checks on Bad Departments

Consent decrees—court-ordered reforms for police departments caught in scandals like Ferguson or Baltimore—are on the chopping block. The order labels them “red tape” and wants them gone. But those decrees have been the only tool forcing corrupt or abusive departments to change. Without them, you’re left hoping police clean up their own mess. History shows that’s a long shot. This isn’t streamlining—it’s stripping away guardrails.

Your Local Cops, Now With Military Gear

The order pushes more military surplus—think tanks, riot shields, and armored trucks—into local police hands. It’s pitched as a crime-fighting upgrade, but it’s a militarization move. Post-9/11, we saw the fallout: peaceful protests met with war-zone tactics, small towns patrolled like battlefields. More gear doesn’t mean more safety—it means more intimidation. Americans shouldn’t feel like they’re living under occupation.

Local Leaders Silenced by Federal Threats

Mayors and governors who don’t fall in line—say, by cutting police budgets or prioritizing community programs—could face federal lawsuits or prosecution for “obstructing” policing. It’s a vague term, and that’s the point: it’s a political weapon to quiet dissent. Your elected officials lose their say, replaced by a federal agenda. This isn’t support for law enforcement—it’s a power play to enforce compliance.Privacy Slips Away—Again

The order leans on Homeland Security Task Forces and military assets for local policing, carrying the same stench as the Patriot Act’s surveillance spree. Warrantless data grabs and neighborhood monitoring creep closer. It’s not about catching criminals—it’s about watching everyone. Americans traded privacy for “security” once before; this order asks for a second helping. You’re not safer—just more exposed.

Constitutional Risks: A Slow-Motion Clash

The Constitution gives states control over policing, not the President. This order sidesteps that with federal muscle—money, legal threats, and executive fiat. Courts might eventually strike it down, but the Patriot Act taught us damage happens fast while justice lags. Your rights—privacy (Fourth Amendment), due process (Fifth and Fourteenth)—hang in the balance. It’s a gamble with shaky odds.

What It Means for All Americans

This isn’t a crime fix; it’s a federal flex. Crime matters, but this order swings a sledgehammer where a scalpel’s needed. It hands cops legal shields and military toys, guts oversight, and muzzles local leaders—all while chipping at privacy and constitutional limits. It’s the feds dictating how your streets are policed, leaving you with less say and more scrutiny. Like the Patriot Act, it’s a trade-off sold as safety that ends up scarring the nation long-term.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 4/28/25 at 9:28 pm to
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So we're planning on using military "assets" in local jurisdictions now?

Where have you been since 911?
Posted by faraway
Member since Nov 2022
3819 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 9:54 pm to
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So we're planning on using military "assets" in local jurisdictions now?
nothing new here.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 4/28/25 at 9:57 pm to
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What the hell happened to smaller government?



No one is above the law, brah.
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
2444 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 9:57 pm to
Yeah. I’m a fan of Trump and support the cops but we certainly don’t need the Gestapo here.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38343 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 10:21 pm to
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What the hell happened to smaller government?




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No one is above the law, brah.
Has frick all to do with his question. He's referring to the federal government expanding its law enforcement ever further into local jurisdictions. You guys adding powerful federal government to the GOP plank now in your bizarre political metamorphosis?
Posted by NashvilleTider
Your Mom
Member since Jan 2007
15766 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 10:25 pm to
I’m fine with one if we can get cleaned of the leftist ideology
Posted by trader_tiger83
Member since Dec 2012
1416 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 10:27 pm to
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I’m fine with one if we can get cleaned of the leftist ideology


frick off, nazi.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70537 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 10:28 pm to
I'm sure this is just about donating excess humvees and armored personnel carriers to local law enforcement rather than some highly coordinated immigrant/politician roundup.
Posted by NashvilleTider
Your Mom
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/28/25 at 10:28 pm to
lol the left are the Nazis - that’s been clear for a while
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
47223 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 10:30 pm to

Cry more about an EO which can be rescinded as fast as it was put in.

The Dems went after Trump and his allies for zero crimes, so I'm OK with him getting some pay back.

In fact, I'm more than OK with it.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38343 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 10:30 pm to
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I’m fine with one if we can get cleaned of the leftist ideology
I've read here many times that the Nazi's were a left wing party. If that's true, why would you expect left wing tactics to produce right wing results?
Posted by trader_tiger83
Member since Dec 2012
1416 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 10:32 pm to
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lol the left are the Nazis - that’s been clear for a while


You just suggested you’re cool with a gestapo if it “cleans” the country of “leftists”. Couldn’t be any more nazi than that. Go start your own cult somewhere in Hicksville chucklehead. Leave the rest of sane people to manage these United States of America.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38343 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 10:34 pm to
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The Dems went after Trump and his allies for zero crimes, so I'm OK with him getting some pay back.

In fact, I'm more than OK with it.
All this went without saying, bro. Your position isn't logically possible unless you value a desire to see your hero get payback above the Constitution of the country. Which is fine, I knew all that.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75191 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 10:36 pm to
The military, huh? This should be good.
Posted by Bigbens42
Trussvegas
Member since Nov 2013
19896 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 10:37 pm to
“Something something ‘posse comitatus’ something something”
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
47223 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 10:39 pm to

Don't try to talk to me about 'above the Constitution' when the full force of the US judiciary was all in with the fake Steele Dossier and then the FISA court issued 4 fake and baseless warrants.

That cherry's already been popped. Don't cry about it now.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75191 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 10:43 pm to
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And suspend habeas corpus if needed, too

Good grief......
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