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re: Trumps actions are by design to lower interest rates so we sell $9 trillion in new bonds

Posted on 4/5/25 at 3:02 pm to
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66261 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 3:02 pm to
I feel like this would be flirting with a depression, but hey, I'm no economist.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294390 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 3:02 pm to
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This is too advanced macroeconomics for our resident TDS posters to understand


lololol..
Posted by SlayTime
Member since Jan 2025
3597 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 3:02 pm to
Populist nationalism or bust. I support Trumps actions in this war 100%.
Posted by Zahrim
McCamey Texas
Member since Mar 2009
8016 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 4:35 pm to
if anyone listened to Bessant ya woulda known this.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38378 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 4:45 pm to
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If this was the case, why doesn’t Trump just say that?


I'm still torn on the strategy, but it doesn't really matter what Trump says. You're asking for Trump to say something and expect the media to report it, if well intentioned and smart, as well intentioned and smart.

Literally never happens.

They would rip any strategy he reports apart. Therefore, he usually uses his public statements and publicly stated goals differently. Sometimes to trap democrats and the media, sometimes to bring people to the cause, etc. I will say, Trump does a great job of using his statements for a variety of reasons like that.

I assume the tarrif talk is to get the simple message out that the rest of the world takes advantage of the US in unfair ways, which is true, and that we need to change some of the dynamics.

Within a complex change of economic policy, that is one of the goals. And thats all we needs. Painting it as unfair will also hopefully make enough people ready to deal with a little pain, which we need to do in general.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
10713 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:03 pm to
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If this was the case, why doesn’t Trump just say that? Why do his supporters have to hunt around trying to guess why he does things, hoping they’re for the best?


His first term was similar, relying on other people to clean up or interpret the message after the fact.

And crushing the economy on purpose is not what his campaign promised.
Posted by cajuntiger1010
Member since Jan 2015
13682 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:29 pm to
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And crushing the economy on purpose is not what his campaign promised.


Maybe I’m delusional but he definitely said thousand times it would not be easy to reverse Bidenonomics.

Its Month 3/48…. I rather him do it now & do it deliberately.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
36908 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:27 pm to
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They arent the type to do independent research. Its an influencer-driven movment.
Funny coming from someone that does their research on an Obama phone.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
10713 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:36 am to
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Maybe I’m delusional but he definitely said thousand times it would not be easy to reverse Bidenonomics. Its Month 3/48…. I rather him do it now & do it deliberately.


I hear ya, but taking a step back... This isn’t Covid thrust upon you, he went on offense, aggressively with insults and trade wars.

Through month 3, the chaos has resulted in serious losses both politically and economically.
Posted by LsuNav
Sacramento
Member since Mar 2008
1862 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:27 am to
Some YouTuber said this the other day. If true it will make up for the collective investor net worth that he has wiped out.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
100178 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:35 am to
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Populist nationalism or bust. I support Trumps actions in this war 100%.


Same

Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170457 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:42 am to
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We already know how you feel. Do you care to address the topic?

Can't speak for someone else

But let's just say the topic of this thread is the real reason behind the trade war. Fine. That would be a positive outcome. But we do have to acknowledge that this is a gamble. Everything is a trade off. Does the benefit of refinancing a portion of the debt outweigh the negative costs of such a gamble? The real answer isn't known because it is in fact a gamble. I don't mind the government taking some risks here and there and in some cases I think we're too conservative when it comes to taking risks. This outcome is unknown at this point. And to be clear I'm not really worried about the markets. That will more likely than not correct itself over time if things work out in our favor. International relationships are probably the most important thing to consider at this point. Because like it or not we're not going to be isolationists. It doesn't make sense to be. It is completely unknown at this point how things will play out. I'm willing to take a leap of faith and say that the plan is more well thought out than the initial tariff deployment would suggest and the plan is more complex than any of us understand. That's really all an optimist can do at this point. And I'm generally optimistic on the future of America regardless of leadership.
Posted by WestSideTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
4850 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 4:54 am to
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If this was the case, why doesn’t Trump just say that?

He wouldn’t admit to a strategy to weaken the dollar while handing out punishments to other countries accusing them of currency manipulation.


Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
92886 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 5:06 am to
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crushing the economy


The new far left talking point
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294390 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 6:06 am to
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Funny coming from someone that does their research on an Obama phone.


MAGA.

Do you deny Trump wants to devalue the dollar?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
92886 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 6:07 am to
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MAGA


TDS

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Do you deny Trump wants to devalue the dollar?


He doesnt want to devalue the dollar
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294390 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 6:10 am to
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He doesnt want to devalue the dollar


100%

Thts exactly what he wants.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
92886 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 6:11 am to
No its not. And just cause you will repeat that 100 times today wont make it come true
Posted by bama1959
Huntsville, AL
Member since Nov 2008
5027 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 6:24 am to
I don't believe this is the primary purpose for what he's doing but I do think it helped with the decision to do it. I can hear Bessent say Mr. President I don't love these extreme tarrifs but it will help me refinance the debt.

Bessent has said this is the high water mark for tarrifs and has asked other countries not to retaliate. This is a negotiation at the highest level with the entire world. Trump wants the best deals other countries can come up with. If he pulls it off over the next year, while refinancing the debt at low rates, they will make space for him on Mt Rushmore. Even if it only works partially we will have averted the worse finacial crisis since the 1930s.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135340 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 6:26 am to
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The Trump administration wants to use them in the process of restructuring global trade and weaken the dollar, although they say outwardly that they want a strong dollar. The reason for a weaker dollar would be to reduce borrowing costs, as Jim Bianco, founder of research and analysis firm Bianco Research, told Bloomberg. If the dollar is worth less, so is the total debt.
FYI, this is an example of economists, or others such as Jim Bianco pretending to be economists, relying on rote rather than rationale.

If the emphasis is management of the cost of borrowing (c-of-c), as it presently is, a combination of market fear, plus a strong dollar, allows downward pressure on T-bills/bonds which lowers US borrowing costs and c-of-c on the debt. That along with tariff revenue narrows the revenue-expenditure gap in our budgeting.

Weakening the dollar does just the opposite.
Weakening the USD may well be a point of emphasis if we get to the point where we are paying debt down. But we aren't there. Meanwhile, as we accrue more debt, a weak USD equates to both a higher amount of borrow and higher borrowing costs supporting those weaker USDs.
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