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re: Trump: You don't start a War with someone 20 times your size and then expect missiles
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:42 am to Earnest_P
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:42 am to Earnest_P
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If I do things that I know will agitate my wife to the point that she will blow up on me, is that tantamount to starting a fight with her?
Valid point, but that is instigation, which I didn’t refute. I refuted that a lack of active avoidance is not instigation. You responded that a form of instigation is indeed instigation. True enough, but not relevant to the point I made.
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Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:42 am to NC_Tigah
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If Ukraine could back up the clock 4yrs, I'd virtually guarantee there'd be no war. Further, if Ukraine could back it up 12yrs, Crimea would still be a Ukrainian oblast. It is what it is.
I agree with all of that.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:49 am to John Barron
No one seriously thinks that Trump believes Ukraine started the war right?
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:50 am to notsince98
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Maybe if all you do is watch CNN.
I don’t watch any news. I read Tigerdroppings and follow links, like the one you posted. I read Matthew Yglesias (center left substacker) and participate in the comments. I read National Review and The American Conservative as well as some news aggregators.
Your link cited as primary evidence this:
quote:
From August to October 2021, a mass grave of at least 295 civilians who died during the shelling of the Ukrainian armed forces in 2014 was discovered on the territory of Donbass
This happened during combat, and it happened in 2014. Terrible atrocities occur during wars. You can bet your arse that Russian forces, acting without direction from Putin, have murdered Ukranian civilians, just as American forces did it to the NVA.
I was responding to a post that suggested that the recent invasion of Ukraine was caused (in part) by Ukraine killing ethnic Russians. A few isolated atrocities that occurred during the war when Russia invaded Crimea could hardly be considered a cause of the later invasion of the Donbas. In fact, among these two neighbors, that is small potatoes - the USSR starved millions of Ukrainians to death.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:52 am to HeadCall
quote:No one believes it. But that won't stop people from saying it.
No one seriously thinks that Trump believes Ukraine started the war right?
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:27 pm to 632627
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Shut up, Zelenskyy was installed by our Deep State and everybody with a brain knows it
He was elected president in 2019 you moron.
You sweet summer child...
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:29 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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We’ve hit a point where there’s just a straight up rejection of reality in MAGA land
Trump says a country that got frickin invaded started a war, and the lemmings just lap it up as gospe
Tell me you have no knowledge of this conflict other than what you're heard on the mainstream news since it started... without telling me.
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:30 pm to SirWinston
Putin's Puppet has been confirmed
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:32 pm to moneyg
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This is ridiculous. Ukraine isn't on the verge of defeating Russia. It
That was not the discussion to which you interjected yourself
If the US was allowed to go full on in support of Ukraine, Russia would have been licking its wounds for years. The only reason that didn't happen is the "threat of WW3", and that threat, and what the argument about it means in totality, WAS the discussion to which you interjected yourself.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:33 pm to moneyg
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Lose the emotion dude.
What I said was pure logic.
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You can complain all you want about it, but who in the world outside of Ukraine is willing to put boots on the ground for this endeavor? That's the reality. If Europe were willing to go to war in Ukraine, then you'd see what Russia is willing to do. It could back down. It could nuke Europe. Or, it could decide to engage Europe via conventional warfare to start.
Again, non-responsive to what was actually being discussed
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:33 pm to MrBiriwa
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Putin's Puppet has been confirmed
"Trump won't prolong a war that will have no end other than to kill each other. That means Trump's a puppet of Russia" With such bravery, why haven't you signed up to fight with Ukraine? What is preventing you?
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
Lmfao
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:34 pm to BTROleMisser
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Tell me you have no knowledge of this conflict other than what you're heard on the mainstream news since it started... without telling me.
The problem that you missed (somehow, as it was clear) is that too many people have no knowledge of this conflict other than what they've heard in online echo chambers, hence the common mistake of thinking Zelensky was the puppet installed in 2014 (which numerous people have referenced ITT)
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
“I’m not uniformed because I saw another poster who got something wrong”
Isn’t a valid argument
Isn’t a valid argument
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That was not the discussion to which you interjected yourself
You are confused. You replied to me.
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If the US was allowed to go full on in support of Ukraine
allowed?
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The only reason that didn't happen is the "threat of WW3"
You can't back that up. The threat of escalating a meaningless (in grand scheme of things) conflict certainly is part of it. The actual cost is a part of it. The domestic political cost is a part of it. The geopolitical cost is a part of it. There may be other factors as well. You seem extremely short sighted. quote:
and that threat, and what the argument about it means in totality, WAS the discussion to which you interjected yourself
you are mistaken.
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