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re: Trump Will Allow ‘Dreamers’ to Stay in U.S., Reversing Campaign Promise
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:27 am to a want
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:27 am to a want
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Did he or did he not renege on his campaign promise?
Which campaign promises are you referring? My memory might be a little off, but in the primaries, I think he removed all illegals, but I am pretty sure when the general election came around, he was talking about removing the bad guys, keeping them from returning with a wall barricade and then working out a solution with the others.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:28 am to a want
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Did he or did he not renege on his campaign promise?
We don't care, buddy' we know his MO. DJT Art of the Deal. Open high...raising the possible level of the win.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:29 am to Gusoline
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a want
What an utterly miserable human being....
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:29 am to wickowick
Looks like phase 1 is wrapping up, transitioning to a holding pattern till the details are worked out for phase 2 this fall.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:29 am to a want
You're still desperate.
Last December Trump said he was going to allow illegal immigrants who were brought here as young children who are "illegal" through no fault of their own and who have not committed crimes to stay.
Keep melting, snowflake.
Last December Trump said he was going to allow illegal immigrants who were brought here as young children who are "illegal" through no fault of their own and who have not committed crimes to stay.
Keep melting, snowflake.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:30 am to a want
quote:Yes...
Did he or did he not renege on his campaign promise?
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:31 am to a want
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Did he or did he not renege on his campaign promise?
did you hold Obama to the same fire when he reversed course on gay marriage?
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:31 am to a want
Maybe he did.. But every president in my lifetime has reneged on a campaign promise.. Obama had several. What's your point?
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:32 am to a want
Unless they have committed crimes or are members of gangs, then they will have to leave. I don't have a problem with this, he is a compassionate, caring person.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:32 am to wickowick
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Which campaign promises are you referring? My memory might be a little off, but in the primaries, I think he removed all illegals, but I am pretty sure when the general election came around, he was talking about removing the bad guys, keeping them from returning with a wall barricade and then working out a solution with the others.
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The decision is a reversal from Mr. Trump’s anti-immigrant rhetoric during the campaign and is likely to disappoint some of the president’s most ardent supporters, who view program started by former President Barack Obama as an illegal grant of amnesty.
During the campaign, Mr. Trump repeatedly agreed with that sentiment. At one rally last summer, Mr. Trump vowed to “immediately terminate” the DACA program, saying that Mr. Obama had “defied federal law and the Constitution"
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:33 am to GetCocky11
With public opinion - most Americans support the Dreamer bullshite.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:35 am to a want
Is that an opinion piece? It reads like an opinion piece, but I don't see "opinion" anywhere on it.
Trump never had any "anti-immigrant" rhetoric. He had anti-illegal immigration rhetoric. These are not the same, and phrasing this sentence as if they are makes the author of this piece look like a hack.
I read that quote as not continuing the program. It seems like this author is twisting words to form a conclusion. Allowing the people already in the program to continue in the program seems like the right thing to do. I view "continuing the program" as allowing more to enter it. Are we allowing more people to enter the DACA program?
I have sympathy for them, but that has no bearing on whether or not I think we should be the dumping ground for illegal immigrant children.
Giving government benefits to illegal immigrants is definitely a problem. This author almost steps into a good point, but falls short.
Translation: this was a shock to no one, but I'll act like it is anyway because I thought Trump was lying.
Is this what they call "burying the lead?" Trump completely ends the legal fight over a program that would have allowed "as many as five million people" to stay in the U.S. illegally, and you're dancing because he didn't remove a program "which impacts about 800,000?" By my math, that's a reduction in loopholes for illegal immigrants of 86%. Sure, I'd prefer 100%, but I see this as a huge step in the right direction, and I can't imagine why anyone would be pissed off about it as you obviously seem to think we should be.
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The decision is a reversal from Mr. Trump’s anti-immigrant rhetoric during the campaign and is likely to disappoint some of the president’s most ardent supporters, who view program started by former President Barack Obama as an illegal grant of amnesty.
Trump never had any "anti-immigrant" rhetoric. He had anti-illegal immigration rhetoric. These are not the same, and phrasing this sentence as if they are makes the author of this piece look like a hack.
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During the campaign, Mr. Trump repeatedly agreed with that sentiment. At one rally last summer, Mr. Trump vowed to “immediately terminate” the DACA program, saying that Mr. Obama had “defied federal law and the Constitution.”
I read that quote as not continuing the program. It seems like this author is twisting words to form a conclusion. Allowing the people already in the program to continue in the program seems like the right thing to do. I view "continuing the program" as allowing more to enter it. Are we allowing more people to enter the DACA program?
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But once in office, Mr. Trump faced a new reality: the political risks of targeting for deportation a group of people who are viewed sympathetically by many Americans.
I have sympathy for them, but that has no bearing on whether or not I think we should be the dumping ground for illegal immigrant children.
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In some cases, the immigrants did not know they were in the country illegally. Many attended American schools from the time they were in kindergarten.
Giving government benefits to illegal immigrants is definitely a problem. This author almost steps into a good point, but falls short.
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Asked repeatedly about his intentions for the program since he took office, the president has hinted that he would not try to deport the Dreamers. But immigration activists had remained worried that the administration might still eliminate the program.
Translation: this was a shock to no one, but I'll act like it is anyway because I thought Trump was lying.
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The decision to continue the DACA program, which impacts about 800,000 people in the United States, came as the administration formally ended Mr. Obama’s attempt to expand it to also cover the parents of the Dreamers. In 2015, Mr. Obama proposed an expansion of the program, called Deferred Action for Parents of Americans, which could have shielded as many as five million people from deportation and provided work permits to them as well. That program was never implemented because a Texas court blocked it at the request of a coalition of 26 state attorneys general. The Supreme Court deadlocked, 4-4, on a challenge to that ruling, but the decision by the Trump administration officially ends the litigation.
Is this what they call "burying the lead?" Trump completely ends the legal fight over a program that would have allowed "as many as five million people" to stay in the U.S. illegally, and you're dancing because he didn't remove a program "which impacts about 800,000?" By my math, that's a reduction in loopholes for illegal immigrants of 86%. Sure, I'd prefer 100%, but I see this as a huge step in the right direction, and I can't imagine why anyone would be pissed off about it as you obviously seem to think we should be.
This post was edited on 6/16/17 at 8:38 am
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:35 am to a want
I bet Bannon is so fricking pissed right now
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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did you hold Obama to the same fire when he reversed course on gay marriage?
I did not resort to "whataboutisms" and I did not try to suggest that he was anti gay marriage all along....as many are in this thread.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:37 am to a want
Hillary still won't be President. You lose.....
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:38 am to a want
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and I did not try to suggest that he was anti gay marriage all along.
so he lied on the campaign trail
shocking revelation about a politician
i'm shaken to my core, just like i am with Trump
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:38 am to a want
I believe Trump was on the record that he was flexible on the Dreamer issue...I agree with this decision and its the right thing to do.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:39 am to a want
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I did not resort to "whataboutisms" and I did not try to suggest that he was anti gay marriage all along....as many are in this thread.
Many in this thread are not surprised because we were able to correctly interpret Trump's remarks from his campaign and this is the expected outcome.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:40 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I bet Bannon is so fricking pissed right now
i think decisions like this and supporting keeping the regs low on natural gas exports to Europe (which will hurt, possibly destroy Russia economically) are painting a picture that Trump is not nearly as beholden to his alleged masters as many would like to promote
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