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re: Trump: USA to start building monuments to our heroes again

Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:32 am to
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23815 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:32 am to
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People don't build them because they look cool. They're a way to celebrate our values,


Like slavery


Your actually proud off your ignorance, aren't you?
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61438 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:36 am to
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Your actually proud off your ignorance, aren't you?


I should ask you the same question. Let’s see your mental gymnastics to pretend the Civil War was not about preserving slavery. Go for it.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98240 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:37 am to
You really need to read a history book
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23815 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:39 am to
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The majority of the reb statues were built in the early 1900s - many of them as explicit tributes to the flaring up white supremacy of the day.


I disagree. The issue of slavery in the South among the majority of people wasn't as big of a deal as states rights, unfair taxation, and the North attempting to frick over the South.
As with ur post, people today make a bigger deal about slavery than was the case back then.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23815 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:41 am to
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I should ask you the same question. Let’s see your mental gymnastics to pretend the Civil War was not about preserving slavery. Go for it


It was part of it, not the most important. They hide information like that in books.
I wouldn't expect you to know much about it.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49540 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:57 am to
and Ft Johnson (or whatever it is now) back to Ft Polk.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182512 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:57 am to
What's funny about Cubbies is that she gets on the PT board and screams about how much hate and distrust she has for the Government only to be ignorant to the fact that the Civil War is the beginning of America having such a large and overreaching Government. Still, she's not smart enough to put that together. Instead, she assumes it was only about slavery.


Off the top of my head things the CW was about other than slavery


State Rights vs. Federal Authority / Nationalism

Tariffs and economic policies that helped the industrialized North but hurt the South. The North was for tariffs to protect industry and the South was against them due to being Ag based and relying on exports like cotton. I bet Cubbies has never read about the Nullification Crisis

Cultural differences

Disagreement on Western Expansion

Federal control of key territories including border states, rivers the South used to move their goods, etc



Just a few I can think of without wasting a lot of time on an imbecile like Cubbies

Yes slavery was the primary focus but anyone who gets past Jr High should learn that it wasn't the only motivation

Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:08 am to
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Let’s see your mental gymnastics to pretend the Civil War was not about preserving slavery. Go for it.


You stupid bitch. Why did Lincoln only outlaw slavery in areas that were in rebellion? Why didnt he outlaw it in Kentucky, Missouri or Maryland? Why did he not outlaw it in occupied areas of the South, like parts of Louisiana? That's right, he couldn't outlaw it in the US. At the time it was guaranteed. And he knew it. It took an amendment to outlaw it after the war. So why would the South leave to protect an institution that Lincoln could not ban? He admitted as much.

The South's greatest argument regarding slavery at the outbreak of the war was not that slavery could be abolished where it existed but the fact that it would be banned into any new territory. Slaves were property and the South argued that the Constitution guaranteed property rights and the ability to transport that property into any territory.

“As for the South, it is enough to say that perhaps eighty per cent. of her armies were neither slave-holders, nor had the remotest interest in the institution. No other proof, however, is needed than the undeniable fact that at any period of the war from its beginning to near its close the South could have saved slavery by simply laying down its arms and returning to the Union.”
Major General John B. Gordon, from his book, Causes of the Civil War.
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 8:30 am
Posted by First Sergeant1
Enterprise, Alabama
Member since Dec 2018
1042 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:15 am to
Good and tear down all George Floyd statues while we’re at it.. how crazy is it that we memorialize a drug addict heathen.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
Cloud 8
Member since Nov 2012
6434 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 1:15 pm to
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Why should he erect monuments to soldiers of a different country against which the U.S. was at war?
It’s not as clear cut as your question suggests.

Lincoln never acknowledged the South was a country. He put down a “rebellion”.

In the treaty ending The War of Independence, The Revolutionary War, The Colonial Rebellion, The King of England had recognized as distinct sovereign political entities-“countries”-both the individual States and those States considered collectively as the “United” States of America.

That’s why Lee could, in good conscience, resign his commission in the U.S. Army saying sincerely he refused to take up the sword against his native “country” Virginia.

Most Confederate generals, politicians, and civilians shared Lee’s understanding that their native soil was their “country” to which they owed their allegiance. They viewed themselves as the Constitutionally grounded patriots and federal troops as un-Constitutional aggressors and invaders enforcing the will of a tyrant.

Erasing history and tearing down statues of participants of historically significant events is Talibanesque and should be resisted at all times.
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