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re: Trump trying to end birthright citizenship
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:04 am to BRTigerDad
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:04 am to BRTigerDad
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Now please read the entire sentence where you found that phrase, and then please note that our "well regulated Militia" has not been infringed -- our National Guard continues to thrive and has not been infringed.
What is the legal definition of militia?
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Today, as defined by the Militia Act of 1903, the term "militia" is primarily used to describe two groups within the United States:
Organized militia – consisting of State militia forces; notably, the National Guard and Naval Militia.
Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.
There is a third militia that is widely unknown to most. This militia is called a state defense force.They are authorized by state and federal laws.
What did our Founding Fathers say about the militia?
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Tenche Coxe: “Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American… The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”
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Alexander Hamilton: “Little more can be aimed at with respect to the people at large than to have them properly armed and equipped.”
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Patrick Henry: “The people have a right to keep and bear arms.”
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Patrick Henry: “The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.”
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Richard Henry Lee: “To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…”
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Richard Henry Lee: “A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves…and include all men capable of bearing arms.”
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James Madison: “A WELL REGULATED militia, composed of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country.”
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George Mason: “I ask you sir, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people.”
I'm glad you agree that, as part of the militia, the people have the right to bear arms and that it should not be infringed.
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Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:08 am to Haughton99
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The words in the first sentence of the Amendment couldn't be clearer.
You sure about that? Section 1992 of the US revised statutes (passed by the same congress that adopted the 14th Amendment) state: “all persons born in the us and not subject to any foreign power...are declared citizens of the United States”.
A very strong argument can be made that “Subject to the jurisdiction” has to do with having sole allegiance to the us and not a foreign country.
Again...constitutional arguments are rarely cut and dried..and your layman’s declaration that “the words could not be more clear” is based upon your ignorance of several differing debates and interpretations that have been going on for years regarding those same exact words.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:15 am to BBONDS25
quote:I think this supreme court will rule in favor of the president and I, for one, will go to my grave considering Trump the absolutely greatest president to have ever been blessed upon these United States.
“Subject to the jurisdiction”
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:19 am to VoxDawg
Amending the constitution through presidential executive order is dangerous whether or not you agree with the order. Yall are truly a bunch of short sighted morons if yall think that this is a good idea. There wont be a Republican president forever. Trump didnt start this trend but he is damn sure continuing the precedence. God save the king.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:22 am to BRTigerDad
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Yes, and Trump is involved in it.
he loves taking part in it...so he's trying to end it?Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:23 am to boosiebadazz
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Are you really suggesting you’re ok with a president trying to nullify a constitutional amendment via executive order?
No, more likely greasing the skids so Congress can get the ball rolling to abolish, or revise, this amendment.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:24 am to ChineseBandit58
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You've cleaned that up from my father's intonation - he referred to the other end of the alimentary canal being indistinguishable from a hole in the ground.
You must have had a more cultured dad than I.
He self-censored to make my mom happy
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:25 am to celltech1981
quote:This. Trump may be correct on the goal, but dead wrong on the method. This is clearly legislative/amendment territory here.
Amending the constitution through presidential executive order is dangerous whether or not you agree with the order. Yall are truly a bunch of short sighted morons if yall think that this is a good idea. There wont be a Republican president forever.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:26 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
quote:Literally the same justification Obama used for DACA.
No, more likely greasing the skids so Congress can get the ball rolling to abolish, or revise, this amendment.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:27 am to celltech1981
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short sighted morons
No one is suggesting that POTUS can change an amendment with Executive Order. But he can implement a policy through Executive Order, that will be challenged in the courts and hopefully clarified... Absolutely two different things...
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:28 am to Parmen
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He’s the President and he can do whatever he wants.
So next Dem prez guts or kills the 2nd amendment...you're cool with that, right? The 2nd is no more powerful than the 14th....they're both constitutional amendments.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:28 am to BRTigerDad
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Go ahead and amend the 14th Amendment then.
Cannot be done via an executive order.
Time to go back to school.
The US Constitution is not that long and paints very broad strokes. While the fundamentals cannot be broken, they can be defined. We physically have millions of pages of laws defining the Constitution.
A perfect example is how the Courts have decided when a life is a life.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:29 am to Taxing Authority
It amazes me how short sighted people can be in regards to abuse of power when the end goal of the abuse I something they agree with. Did republicans forget about all the bull shite under 8 years of Obama orders?
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:30 am to VoxDawg
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What an absolute fricking idiot. Again.
Clearly unconstitutional. Why does this fool hate the Constitution?
So we now know you neither understand American History, nor the Constitution. What else do you not know?
Here's what the Constitution says:
""All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
So just to clarify...it's your position that the child of an illegal who is born and resides in the United States is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. They are under no obligation to follow US laws, since they are not under US jurisdiction.
And you're saying someone else doesn't understand the Constitution.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:30 am to papasmurf1269
Why is he doing this shite before midterms?
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:30 am to DarthRebel
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While the fundamentals cannot be broken, they can be defined. We physically have millions of pages of laws defining the Constitution.
A perfect example is how the Courts have decided when a life is a life.
Not by EO.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:31 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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I'm glad you agree that, as part of the militia, the people have the right to bear arms and that it should not be infringed.
Yes.
But you seem to have forgotten a phrase, the well regulated part.
And so indeed, as a part of that regulation is why we are rightfully able to prohibit tanks, bombs, and other type of weapons from private citizens.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:32 am to CommoDawg
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CommoDawg
Wait, you are only 18? You cannot even drink a beer and trying to educate us men.
GTFO and come back when you grow some chest hair.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:33 am to BamaGradinTn
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So just to clarify...it's your position that the child of an illegal who is born and resides in the United States is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. They are under no obligation to follow US laws, since they are not under US jurisdiction.
That is not what I'm saying, nor could any rational person interpret my words to have such a meaning.
Go play semantics with someone else.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:34 am to BRTigerDad
What's unconstitutional?
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