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re: Trump to hold,"major briefing", on Opioid Crisis today at 3pm.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:08 am to GetCocky11
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:08 am to GetCocky11
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Doctors legally prescribe the hard stuff every single day, getting more and more people hooked.
The only people I will give opiates to are cancer patients and post-op patients (the latter in very short courses). They aren't approved to treat any other type of pain and increase mortality across the board with long term use.
Weight loss will improve the overwhelming majority of chronic pain issues far better than opiates. And Americans have this idea that they should never be in any pain at any time.
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:17 am to aVatiger
Well time to tell big pharm to frick off then and look at better methods of pain treatment that don't drive people to heroin.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:17 am to olddawg26
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Maybe he'll get around to the fact we shouldn't be trying to bring back the war on drugs and marijuana should be 100% legal. Would get behind that completely
Sessions will never allow it
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:21 am to TN Bhoy
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Want to make a major dent in the opioid crisis?
Get rid of 'patient satisfaction surveys'.
agree 100%
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:22 am to MrLarson
quote:If he lines up families behind him for show and tell, I won't even bother to watch. I'll already know the speech will be for pandering purposes.
This doesn't need to be stumpish, like you said, it hits home for lots of folks and needs to be handled in a serious tone with real answers for people.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:31 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Well time to tell big pharm to frick off then and look at better methods of pain treatment that don't drive people to heroin.
big pharm unfortunately got a grip on our elected officials that will probably never break
and as our Va homie Bruce Hornsby says, that's just the way it is
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Sessions will never allow it
sessions will be lucky to survive whitehouse thunderdome by the end of the month, he is just so cucky
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:33 am to Yak
quote:Completely with you. Give us some action that you are taking Mr. President. That goes for both sides.
If he doesn't have any direction in this "briefing" and it's just a speech about drugs = bad and look at how great I am, I'll be severely disappointed.
This shite hits close to home for me.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:48 am to TN Bhoy
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Want to make a major dent in the opioid crisis?
Get rid of 'patient satisfaction surveys'.
Does anyone realize this "epidemic" and "crisis" is about less than 1% of the entire US population? American Society of Addiction Medicine pdf roughly 2.6 million combined meds addicts and heroin "disorders".
This illustrates why pot is the linchpin of the whole War on Drugs. Simply not enough of the rest of the drugs combined to support the need for DEA and task forces and stuff. Something like 12.5%-25% of the population smokes dope and here we are claiming 1% opiate addiction is a crisis and epidemic. The Flu is more epidemic than opium addicts and the CDC only devotes a portion of it's resources to it, not it's entire existence.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:54 am to Sidicous
quote:Well, you can't sneeze and give someone an opioid overdose.
This illustrates why pot is the linchpin of the whole War on Drugs. Simply not enough of the rest of the drugs combined to support the need for DEA and task forces and stuff. Something like 12.5%-25% of the population smokes dope and here we are claiming 1% opiate addiction is a crisis and epidemic. The Flu is more epidemic than opium addicts and the CDC only devotes a portion of it's resources to it, not it's entire existence.
If you get rid of marijuana enforcement then the DEA can focus on the important stuff.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:59 am to mmcgrath
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If you get rid of marijuana enforcement then the DEA can focus on the important stuff.
The DEA that is so good that after 40+ years and $4 TRILLION drugs are more available and cheaper than ever.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 11:00 am to Sidicous
quote:False. Entire families are affected by one member that's addicted.
Does anyone realize this "epidemic" and "crisis" is about less than 1% of the entire US population?
It's not just the person.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 11:01 am to MoarKilometers
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Lol... alcohol kills twice as many, not a single eye batted.
Yeah, and alcohol isn't a controlled substance.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 11:05 am to Y.A. Tittle
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You think that has anything to do with the opioids crisis?
Opioid usage is decreasing in places where weed is legal. And increasing where it's illegal. Same goes for deaths via Opioid OD.
So... Yes. Opioid usage and marijuana usage have an inverse relationship. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that.
This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 11:11 am
Posted on 8/8/17 at 11:05 am to Sidicous
quote:Like I said, you have to let them focus on the important stuff.
The DEA that is so good that after 40+ years and $4 TRILLION drugs are more available and cheaper than ever.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 11:08 am to Yak
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False. Entire families are affected by one member that's addicted.
It's not just the person.
So the avg. family size of 2.5 kids and assuming the declining 2 parent household as intact: 4.5 x 2.6million = 11.7 million people in a nation of 320+ million. Only 3%.
Wanna include fiances, grandparents, in-laws? Let's be consistent on the FedGov definitions of family across the board.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 11:11 am to beerJeep
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Opioid usage is decreasing in places where weed is legal. And increasing where it's legal. Same goes for deaths via Opioid OD.
So... Yes. Opioid usage and marijuana usage have an inverse relationship. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that.
Fair enough. I wasn't aware of any such studies. I'm a tad suspect, but I have no problem with legalizing pot.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 11:24 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Opioid usage is decreasing in places where weed is legal.
I can definitely see how it would help if it were either legal or semi-legal when the heroin crisis really started exploding 3-4 years ago.
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I have no problem with legalizing pot.
Neither do I, but I think the dynamic is a lot different in places where there is already a serious opioid crisis.
I have trouble believe that legalizing weed will help very much where there are the now established heroin-based illegal drug trade keeps money flowing through those otherwise depressed economies. This is a very complicated problem and I don't think anything short of massive economic gains in those areas will really make a dent in the short/medium term.
Now that it is here, it is going to be difficult manage and control.
Unlike immigration, there seems to be near-unanimous support for addressing it. I still don't think Washington will be able to stop this very easily.
This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 11:26 am
Posted on 8/8/17 at 11:25 am to Y.A. Tittle
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I wasn't aware of any such studies.
TBH, the studies are really biased IMO in an attempt by tenured professors to obtain grant $$$ for more research in a time when the feds are going to be tossing around money blindly to anyone who provides "sufficient enough data" to obtain grant $$$
Posted on 8/8/17 at 11:32 am to Sidicous
quote:Look, I'm not going to spill out my personal life here, but those affected by a single opioid user extends way beyond what the FedGov considers a "family"
So the avg. family size of 2.5 kids and assuming the declining 2 parent household as intact: 4.5 x 2.6million = 11.7 million people in a nation of 320+ million. Only 3%.
Wanna include fiances, grandparents, in-laws? Let's be consistent on the FedGov definitions of family across the board.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 11:33 am to Y.A. Tittle
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