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re: Trump to discuss NATO withdrawal

Posted on 4/8/26 at 4:11 pm to
Posted by Rza32
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 4/8/26 at 4:11 pm to
He's always talked about it, just do it already, enough talk.
Posted by LSUAlum2001
Stavro Mueller Beta
Member since Aug 2003
48554 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 4:46 pm to
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North Atlantic, brother




I guess you missed the CNN headline where one of their journalists said it a few days ago.
This post was edited on 4/8/26 at 4:47 pm
Posted by ATrillionaire
Houston
Member since Sep 2008
3291 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 4:55 pm to
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And he can also say that he won't send any troops to their defense should Article 5 be evoked.

Problem is, Article 5 has only been invoked once -- following the Sept 11 attack. Kinda like winning the first pot in poker and leaving with the money.
Posted by SlackMaster
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
2854 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 5:29 pm to
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Problem is, Article 5 has only been invoked once -- following the Sept 11 attack. Kinda like winning the first pot in poker and leaving with the money.

If we're going with a poker analogy, would you agree it's fair to quit the game if you're the only one paying the ante?
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
21878 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 5:35 pm to
If we eliminate the ~ $1 Trillion annually we spend on NATO and have these freeloaders pay for their own defense, that would go a long way towards making the tariff replacing all federal income tax math work out.
Posted by BayouBengal51
Forest Hill, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2006
9627 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 5:37 pm to
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Starmer just bluffed and Putin called it.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
143773 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 5:40 pm to
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We have never participated or even been pressured to participate in anything on NATO's behalf.


you should google "The Cold War". It lasted 45 years.

We pulled out of SEATO and we can pull out of NATO.

Posted by LightHeat
Member since Oct 2020
558 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 6:38 pm to
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It needs to happen just to show Europe how fricked they are without our military to protect them.


They're not. Europe has 500 Million people, a GDP close to that of the US, advanced technology, nuclear weapons, and a surprising conventional arsenal when you add it all up. The Russia of today can't even beat Ukraine--they would get absolutely pummeled in a conventional war with a united Europe.
Posted by LightHeat
Member since Oct 2020
558 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 6:43 pm to
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If we eliminate the ~ $1 Trillion annually we spend on NATO and have these freeloaders pay for their own defense, that would go a long way towards making the tariff replacing all federal income tax math work out.


All of you please repeat after me until it sticks in your brains:

THE ~ $1 TRILLION WE PAY IS OUR OWN DEFENSE BUDGET. WE DO NOT PAY THIS MONEY TO NATO. WE CAN STOP PAYING IT, BUT ONLY IF WE WANT TO STOP HAVING OUR OWN DEFENSE.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
11811 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 6:45 pm to
Nothing, really? That's a pretty retarded statement
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37192 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 7:02 pm to
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Nothing, really? That's a pretty retarded statement

What are you envisioning that would get cheaper or easier post-NATO?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37192 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 7:03 pm to
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you should google "The Cold War". It lasted 45 years.

And NATO did—-nothing as a body outside of conduct exercises.

Presumably we’d train our military regardless of whether we’re a member of NATO

We also didn’t unilaterally leave SEATO. The whole thing dissolved.
This post was edited on 4/8/26 at 7:05 pm
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26833 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 7:05 pm to
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If we eliminate the ~ $1 Trillion annually we spend on NATO


It’s scary how many on here think this is an accurate statement
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37192 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 7:07 pm to
It’s completely amazing that people still think there’s some common NATO military pot that countries pay into. I don’t understand how so many here still do not understand.

Sure everyone contributes for admin costs, but that is pennies and pays for personnel and offices that we would have anyway.
This post was edited on 4/8/26 at 7:11 pm
Posted by beaux duke
Member since Oct 2023
4865 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 7:08 pm to
trump baller room to be built with foreign steel
sorry merica!
https://archive.ph/qhwe5
where do you spot the lie?

quote:

“He said, ‘Sir, I’d like to donate the steel for your ballroom,’” Mr. Trump told the crowd. “I said: ‘Whoa., that’s nice.’ And I found out — ‘How much is the steel?’ I called the contractor. ‘Sir, it’s down for $37 million.’ I said, ‘This is a nice donation, right?’”
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37192 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 7:08 pm to
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Starmer just bluffed and Putin called it.

No, Starmer said the UK would seize illegal shipments on Russian vessels.

He did not say they would seize Russian navy ships.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37192 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 7:09 pm to
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He's always talked about it, just do it already, enough talk.

Well, he can’t so there’s that.
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
25406 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 7:09 pm to
frick NATO. Every other country isn't paying their 2%? Time to get the frick out. Europe is making their bed. Let em sleep in it.
Posted by TigerMan327
Elsewhere
Member since Feb 2011
6190 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 7:10 pm to
Are you saying countries don’t pay money directly to NATO which helps fund “nato” bases and other things?
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
143773 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 7:11 pm to
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It’s scary how many on here think this is an accurate statement


while a trillion is a tad hyperbolic, we have spent around 25 trillion on NATO since it's inception plus keep around a trillion dollars worth of assets at NATO bases. That's without the nukes.

it's a shite ton of money for no ROI.


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