re: Trump: “The traitors that told the military to disobey my orders should be in jail”

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I do not think that they were trying to get service members to disobey any past order, any current order OR any future order.

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Then I was mistaken when I said we can both read.

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I do not think that they were trying to get service members to disobey any past order, any current order OR any future order.

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Here’s what you’re defending:

After admitting that trump hasn’t given any illegal orders, immediately jumps into Venezuela (for some reason?) then tries to equate following orders to the Nuremberg trials.

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Here’s what you’re defending:

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Yeah, she's definitely NOT trying to get military members to disobey orders.

Hank gonna Hank.

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“don’t follow illegal orders” is not sedition. It’s what the UCMJ requires.

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Nothing is going to happen to these people, but they said more than just “don’t follow illegal orders”.

They said (in a message directed to military and Intel) that the Trump administration:
- was pitting the military against citizens
- was a threat to the constitution
- and that you must not not follow illegal orders.

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What most people do not understand is as retired military you are still subject to the UCMJ as if you were still active duty.

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Not exactly.

You are certainly still subject to the UCMJ for some purposes. The extent of that continuing jurisdiction for crimes committed as a civilian is not yet entirely clear. So far, the cases have been related to actions of retirees while on-base.

As I recall, one was a bartender on-base in Okinawa, and another was shopping at a PX somewhere on the West Coast.

Are you going to square this comment earlier in the thread

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I do not think that they were trying to get service members to disobey any past order, any current order OR any future order.

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with this video?

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And explain the parallel she was trying to make between Venezuela and nazi war crime trials?

She was asked about "illegal orders," and she illustrated with two "illegal order" examples with which most Americans are familiar ... Nuremberg and "A Few Good Men."

Personally, I think that blowing up the alleged drug boats is indeed illegal. One need not "like" those individuals to understand that they are CRIMINALS rather than enemy combatants ... and to think that they should be TREATED as criminal rather than enemy combatants.

But that does not mean that she or Kelly actually expect anyone to violate the orders to fire those missiles. Again, I think that they were just baiting Trump to throw a tantrum.

You are certainly welcome to believe otherwise.

It’s laughable when you see things like “Trump War Room”. When he had the chance to be a soldier he dodged out of it (multiple times) by claiming shin splints. Now he’s a big tough guy when he can send others to fight. The utter lack of self awareness is staggering.

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But that does not mean that she or Kelly actually expect anyone to violate the orders to fire those missiles.

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Right, because across the ranks there are not any confused 18, 19, 20y/o's who might take the opposite to heart.

There is literally no one, not a single viewer of that PSA, who came away feeling the message conveyed was "all is on the up and up in our military." The conveyance was just the opposite. Our military is distrusted. It is being turned on Americans. There is the strong possibility illegal orders are being contemplated and/or carried out.

Now you, SFP and others can parse the message. You can discount the crystal clear undercutting intent of that piece. You can even de facto admire the professional CIA propagandist for her talent at malignant messaging with words which technically can be interpreted as benign. Given a court system which cannot reliably determine gender, or murder vs self-defense, or what constitutes necessary force, or separate itself from partisanship, these POS's you are making excuses for would almost surely skate even if prosecuted.

However, amongst all of the POS's who were so eager to share their highly qualifying military and/or intel bonafides with the PSA audience, one may have made a critical error. Rocketman, unlike the others, is retired military and on a pension. That means he is subject to military active duty recall ... and court-martial. I will promise you the military court system does not share the unreliability of its civilian counterpart.

Granted, pursuing things via court-martial would raise potential red flags for retired military in politics. But what these jackasses did was so anathema, so dangerous, there needs to be enough consequence to give future anti-American assholes a moment's pause. Rocketman, as a sacrificial lamb, might suit such a purpose.

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I don’t need to have seen you take those positions to know that you vote for them 100% of the time…which is why your opinion on whether Venezuela is illegal doesn’t mean shite.

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you do you, my angry little friend

For the record, I oppose gender transition surgery for minors, I absolutely support voter ID, and I think we should have a vigorous guest worker program.