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re: Trump: “The traitors that told the military to disobey my orders should be in jail”
Posted on 11/24/25 at 12:24 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 11/24/25 at 12:24 pm to hawgfaninc
Yet Donnie pardoned the real seditionists.
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 12:30 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:You both got it wrong. The 2nd Amendment was actually a simple fashion statement about shirts.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
In other words to provide for a well regulated militia, the people have a right to bear arms.
It does not say only the militia, and the people that belong to it, has that right.
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You mean I misinterpreted the words?
You mean the words don't just stand on their own? You actually have to correctly interpret them?
Words are words.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 1:30 pm to NC_Tigah
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Words are words.
Well done.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 1:32 pm to MikkUGA
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When they say “threats to our Constitution are coming from right here at home,” that makes it sedation.
I agree with you.
It's clear what they were talking about.
I'm not a judge and don't know whether it rises to the level of sedition, but I don't think there's any mileage in pretending that they weren't telling military members to disobey the orders they are currently being given, right now.
That's obviously the case to anyone who views the matter objectively.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 4:23 pm to RCDfan1950
Donnie certainly acts like a dictator.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 4:25 pm to hawgfaninc
“I was only obeying orders” is not a defense in a court martial.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:31 pm to Stonehenge
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It wasn't even that. They clearly tell people to be on the legal side of the law and Constitution.
Here’s what they clearly said
quote:
Americans trust their military and intelligence community professionals.
But that trust is at risk. This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens.
Like us, you all swore an oath to protect and defend this Constitution. Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from abroad...
**[Overlaid text: "But from right here at home.
This post was edited on 11/24/25 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:49 pm to Stonehenge
“I can choose what orders to obey based on what I think.” Is not a defense in a court martial.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:51 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:That is obviously the case to anyone who views the matter through Orange-tinted glasses, anyway.
I don't think there's any mileage in pretending that they weren't telling military members to disobey the orders they are currently being given, right now.
That's obviously the case to anyone who views the matter objectively.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:01 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:
I'm not a judge and don't know whether it rises to the level of sedition, but I don't think there's any mileage in pretending that they weren't telling military members to disobey the orders they are currently being given, right now.
That's obviously the case to anyone who views the matter objectively.
That's where I'm at. Legally it's probably thin, politically it's a loser, but their meaning is clear. They didn't go to the trouble of making that statement just to remind the military that they don't have to obey illegal orders. Military members know that already.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:02 pm to rltiger
quote:True enough.
“I can choose what orders to obey based on what I think.” Is not a defense in a court martial.
If a service member declines to follow an order, because he believes the order to be "illegal" ... he damned-well better be correct, or he will be busting rocks for a long time.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:04 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:08 pm to Flats
quote:This is a solid analysis.
That's where I'm at. Legally it's probably thin, politically it's a loser,
Prosecuting Kelly, et al for the Tweet is marginal at best, even under 18 USC 2387, but it would be a MAJOR political loser for Trump. Recalling a retiree for prosecution for "crimes" as a civilian will strike about 80% of Americans as being fundamentally unfair, regardless of what the UCMJ may say. Trump does NOT need to piss-off 80% of the electorate.
But I don't think that Kelly, et al were actually trying to get anyone to refuse ANY order. I think they were baiting Trump, and he definitely took the bait.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:10 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
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But I don't think that Kelly, et al were actually trying to get anyone to refuse ANY order.
Who said that? They were clearly trying to get them to disobey some orders, right now, at this time. We can both read.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:11 pm to hawgfaninc
quote:This sort of clickbait is one reason that I loathe the Twitterverse as much as I do.
Two CIA agents ... CONFIRMED that ... (yada, yada, yada)
Those agents did not "confirm" anything. They expressed their opinions.
But "confirm" generates more clicks.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:13 pm to Flats
quote:I may not have been clear.quote:Who said that? They were clearly trying to get them to disobey some orders
But I don't think that Kelly, et al were actually trying to get anyone to refuse ANY order.
I do not think that they were trying to get service members to disobey any past order, any current order OR any future order.
I think that their SOLE motivation was to goad Trump into throwing a very public tantrum.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:13 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
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That is obviously the case to anyone who views the matter through Orange-tinted glasses, anyway.
If you actually believed the bullshite you’re spewing, you’d be able to make a point better than this just being an unsolicited non-partisan PSA by ex-military/CIA to remind people to follow the rules they already knew were in place.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:15 pm to G2160
quote:Read the post immediately preceding yours.
If you actually believed the bullshite you’re spewing, you’d be able to make a point better than this just being an unsolicited non-partisan PSA by ex-military/CIA to remind people to follow the rules they already knew were in place.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:15 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
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