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re: Trump: “The traitors that told the military to disobey my orders should be in jail”

Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:44 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:44 pm to
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I literally went through them one by one
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
37414 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:46 pm to
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You insinuate you have a source. Link it.
I didn't "insinuate" I had a source, I quoted it and told you what it was (Second Circuit opinion in United States v. Rahman).
In any case, here you go.



LINK
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39337 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:55 pm to
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Not pointless. See: the OP in this thread.


Are you talking about a fake point?
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39337 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:56 pm to
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Its not, to anyone objective.


The release was pointless without the false implication.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464916 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:56 pm to
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Are you talking about a fake point?

No.

They baited MAGA into responding like emotional retards.

That was the point.

They succeeded. OP is just one example of the emotional debasement by MAGA
Posted by AgSGT
Dixon, MO
Member since Aug 2011
2065 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:59 pm to
And where were they when Obama authorized more than 550 drone strikes—including strikes that killed American citizens overseas without trial? The same people who claim to care about constitutional rights, executive overreach, and government accountability were silent when his administration dramatically expanded drone warfare. They had no problem with due-process concerns back then, no outrage over civilian casualties, and no demands for restraint or transparency. It’s hard to take their selective moral outrage seriously when they ignored one of the largest expansions of unilateral military power in modern history.
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
25972 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 6:04 pm to
But this as Rush Limbaugh called him was The Magic Negro and HE could do no wrong.

Just as Joe Biden couldn't when he ordered the military to all take the Covid shot or face discipline.

But these were all Democrats....Uber Alles...Sieg Heil!
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39337 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 6:10 pm to
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No. They baited MAGA into responding like emotional retards. That was the point.


Yes. This is is the fake point. Had nothing to do with real, illegal orders.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56081 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:49 pm to
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Completely irrelevant.


One judge said illegal. One said legal. How is that irrelevant?
Posted by bamadontcare
Member since Jun 2013
3542 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:56 pm to
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Yes. This is is the fake point. Had nothing to do with real, illegal orders.


Is that a good thing?

Is that a WIN for your side?

Yes, you have a side.

Wow.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56081 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 3:53 am to
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Fixed it for you buddy.


I noticed you were able to insinuate Trumps statement but not the Dems statement. Figures.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 6:59 am to
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I noticed you were able to insinuate Trumps statement but not the Dems statement. Figures.


Funny how that works for some of the idiots on here.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135305 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:21 am to
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idiots on here.
Right. The focus of those folks here seems to be on ignoring messaging.

But in light of admissions on the part of the participants that no illegal orders have been issued, there are but two remaining bases for the PSA, i.e., its messaging. Both of those bases should be very alarming.

(1) The past experiences of the group in intel and the military (which they heavily emphasized in the PSA) are that those organizations have been so institutionally lax as to leave members confused about needing to follow illegal orders.

(2) The group put the message out to suggest our military command will likely issue illegal orders in the future. That message would be designed to undercut our military leadership, structure, and therefore the United States.
This post was edited on 11/24/25 at 7:22 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464916 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:23 am to
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The focus of those folks here seems to be on ignoring messaging.


What should we look at?

The actual words used, or a vague concept of "messaging"?

I'll go with the actual, clear, words:

quote:

"Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. You must refuse illegal orders


No deep interpretation needed when the words are clear and unambiguous.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
12825 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:31 am to
I have yet to see any "illegal" orders by anyone.

The deception by that group in the video should give everyone pause.

They're "politicians" so, there's that.

I should'nt but, I wake up everyday expecting the worst from people.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464916 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:32 am to
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I have yet to see any "illegal" orders by anyone.


Not necessary for general commentary that they stated
This post was edited on 11/24/25 at 7:33 am
Posted by MLSter
Member since Feb 2013
4150 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:54 am to
What him and taking 100s of millions from a Jewes to sell out americans.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135305 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:17 am to
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I'll go with the actual, clear, words:
Right.
Kind of like locking some poor schmuck into a cleverly worded contract that does not say what he is led to believe it says. Good for lawyers. Too bad for the schmuck.

Ignore the clear messaging put out to the next Bradley Manning, Sgt Radford, Maj Hasan or foreign governments. That's great.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
45911 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:20 am to
Our resident centrists are going to post themselves to death in these threads. They are absolutely apoplectic about Trump.

The irony here is that they had nothing to say about so-called illegal orders when the military was forcing troops to take an experimental vaccine, or share intimate spaces with trans lunatics, or forcing them to learn about white rage and institutional racism. They shrugged their shoulders over Obama toadies ordering rank and file agents to expand warrantless spying on political opponents and media - using false pretenses. But a Trump tweet is a bridge too far?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135305 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:20 am to
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general commentary
That gets back to massaging
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