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re: Trump tariffs blocked by US Court of International Trade

Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:44 pm to
Posted by Megasaurus
Member since Dec 2017
1425 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:44 pm to
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US Court of International Trade


lol...

sounds like they are part of the group that sends the text messages that states you have 3 more days to pay your sunpass toll or a warrant for your arrest will be issued..

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your account has been locked, please click on link and follow instructions to .......

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125759 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:45 pm to
That’s what it sounds like.

But what they did is remove the tariffs.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
9213 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:47 pm to
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And Congress has allowed the President to negotiate trade agreements.


If that were relevant in the case before the US Court of International Trade, you would hope the Trump Administration lawyers would have argued that.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:49 pm to
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The court rejected even the usage of fentanyl as a crisis.


No, they said the tariffs being imposed don’t target the crisis being declared.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
9213 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:51 pm to
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Gee George. Why didn’t anyone file a suit when Obama instituted tariffs?


This is so weird. I don't know that they didn't. But I don't understand what you're trying to say. Is it that Obama prevented people from even suing to prevent actions of his administration? Because, I am pretty sure the Obama Administration got sued at least a few times.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128133 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:52 pm to
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This Court has no authority over the president


In a sense you are right, they actually specifically dismiss “The President” but “his actions” can be reviewed by them and they have authority over all other US officers who would be tasked with carrying out his directives. So they basically do.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84604 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:53 pm to
He’s just throwing a temper tantrum. It’s what he does.
Posted by LSUAngelHere1
Watson
Member since Jan 2018
10137 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:03 pm to
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He did the same shite in his first term. He tries to declare emergencies to obtain powers he would not otherwise have. Of course the courts are going to step in and maintain the separation of powers.

The judicial is not superior. They’re equal branches but you lawyers bastardized that.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
9784 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:05 pm to
Just another opportunity to game the stock market with insider trading. Those three judges surely have relatives placing bets for them. Its the Biden business model
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128133 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:07 pm to
Saying “you don’t have authority to do this” is not making the Court superior. If they had an actual mechanism to enforce their rulings separate from the other branches, that would make them superior.

Fwiw, I disagree with virtually every single recent ruling against Trump. They have almost all been nonsense and clearly obstructive.

This one seems much more Constitutionally based than others and reasonable.
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
28218 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:11 pm to
So do these justices serve lifetime appointments or set terms? The wording in the articles I found weren't clear on that. There seems to be regular turnover but that could possibly still be life-time appointments but they step down after a few years rather than serving for decades?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91385 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:15 pm to
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Just another opportunity to game the stock market with insider trading. Those three judges surely have relatives placing bets for them. Its the Biden business model


How tf do some of yall make it through the day?
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
9213 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:15 pm to
Bass, I have given you too much credit. That suit you were citing against Obama to imply that Obama was receiving more favorable treatment was NOT from a US Court like today's decision. It WAS from the World Trade Organization like I thought it was.

I think it comes down to the Obama Administration had much better lawyers than does the Trump Administration. Trump frequently admits (admirably) that he doesn't know what the law says and that he relies on his lawyers.

It's the downside of the force of Trump's personality. Rather than have lawyers who will advise him on what the law is, he has lawyers who seek to justify legally whatever whim the President has. It's the difference between having a lawyer as president and a real estate developer as president.

In terms of getting things done, I would much rather have a real estate developer...particularly THIS real estate developer...as president. The downside is that there will be legal mistakes made by the Trump Administration at a much greater rate than the Obama Administration.

Just as a comparison, contrast Trump's constant flip flopping on tariffs with the policy laid out by Obama:

WTO Case Announced by USTR Builds on Strong Trade Enforcement Record

From day one, President Obama and his Administration have vigorously worked to build a far more capable trade enforcement system. The result has been a strong record of enforcement victories that are helping to level the playing field for American workers and businesses. The Administration has enlisted all relevant agencies and used all the tools at its disposal to identify, monitor, enforce, and resolve the full range of international trade issues, so that American workers, farmers, and businesses receive the benefits they are due under our trade and investment agreements and to prevent American jobs from being threatened by unfair trading practices.

Aggressively Pursuing – and Winning – Cases at the World Trade Organization: Today, the United States Trade Representative (USTR) is launching a new trade enforcement action against China at the World Trade Organization (WTO) targeting China’s unfair subsidies for its aluminum industry. This is the 25th WTO challenge of this Administration and the 16th against China alone. The United States has brought more WTO challenges over the last eight years than any other country. And we’ve won every single one of these challenges that has been decided.
Levying Anti-Dumping and Countervailing Duty Penalties on Foreign Industries and Trading Partners at the Highest Rate in 14 Years, Particularly Important to the Steel Industry: The Department of Commerce, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) are enforcing 370 trade remedy orders that address dumped goods or unfairly subsidized imports and level the playing field for American workers and businesses.
In each of the last two years, Commerce initiated the largest number of new investigations in 14 years. The Administration worked with Congress to secure new legislative authorities that provide a substantial upgrade in our government’s trade enforcement capabilities. Commerce has conducted investigations and made final determinations on important cases brought by the American steel industry, finding dumping margins as high as 620 percent on certain products from China.
Pursuing Diplomatic Engagement to Uphold Labor Rights, Protect the Environment, and Ensure Intellectual Property Rights Are Enforced: The United States has undertaken initiatives with our free trade agreement partners to strengthen workers’ rights in Bahrain, Bangladesh, Burma, Colombia, Honduras, Jordan, Panama, and others. We have pressed our trading partners to effectively implement environmental provisions in our free trade agreements to protect the environment and prevent illegal logging. Trade and Investment Framework Agreements between the United States and more than 50 trading partners and regions around the world have facilitated discussions on enhancing intellectual property rights (IPR) protection and enforcement. We also direct international initiatives to broaden awareness of IPR’s important role in addressing international concerns, such as counterfeit medicines and internet piracy, so countries will investigate and prosecute cases of IPR violations.
Combating Excess Capacity in Industrial Sectors: The United States led an international coalition to bring together more than thirty countries – including both G-20 members and as well as major steel-producing countries that are not in the G-20 – to form a new Global Forum on Steel Excess Capacity. The Global Forum, co-chaired by the United States, will address market distorting practices that negatively impact trade and the steel industry and workers around the world. Furthermore, we successfully secured significant new commitments from China, including a commitment that it will take further steps beyond its announced plans to progressively reduce its excess capacity, close loss-making “zombie enterprises,” and ensure that central government plans and policies do not target the net expansion of capacity in its steel industry.
Building Stronger Enforcement Authorities and Coordination: President Obama worked with Congress to pass and sign into law two new pieces of legislation, the Trade Facilitation and Trade Enforcement Act (also referred to as “Customs” legislation) and the American Trade Enforcement Effectiveness Act (also referred to as the “Level the Playing Field Act”), each of which strengthened our tools for ensuring that our trading partners and foreign industries are competing fairly and following our trade laws. With these new authorities, Commerce, CBP, and ICE have been able to apply consequences for recalcitrant importers that persist in violating our domestic trade laws, increase on-site verification of imports, and further investigate claims of evasions of import taxes.


Posted by Robcrzy
Mandeville
Member since Nov 2007
1167 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:17 pm to
frick The Court
Trade Act of 1974 (Section 301): Permits tariffs or other measures if foreign trade practices are deemed unfair or harm U.S. commerce (e.g., used against China for intellectual property issues).
Posted by nola tiger lsu
Member since Nov 2007
7013 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:18 pm to
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Its not one of those fake courts like the international criminal court. It's an actual US court that Congress established under article 3. They absolutely had legitimate jurisdiction on this.


Sad how far down the thread I had to go to see this. Amazing the absolute stupidity of every post above this one.

Learn something people.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
9213 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:19 pm to
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He’s just throwing a temper tantrum. It’s what he does.


I know that Bass is a smart guy. I have learned some things from him. I thought he knew what he was talking about here, but I gave him too much credit.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
9213 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:22 pm to
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So do these justices serve lifetime appointments or set terms?


Lifetime appointments.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
9213 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:30 pm to
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I was highlighting Obama’s unilateral usage of a tariff that no one saw fit to challenge.


Sorry for misunderstanding you.

You of all people know that the President DOES have unilateral power to impose a tariff IN A TIME OF EMERGENCY. Maybe no one thought Obama was abusing that power? The plaintiffs who won today in front of the two-thirds Republican-appointed court thought that Trump was abusing that power.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:32 pm to
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frick The Court Trade Act of 1974 (Section 301): Permits tariffs or other measures if foreign trade practices are deemed unfair or harm U.S. commerce (e.g., used against China for intellectual property issues).


Then he should set a tariff on an item actually causing harm, not a blanket tariff on everything.
Posted by Robcrzy
Mandeville
Member since Nov 2007
1167 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:38 pm to
I believe it says “unfair” or harmful. I don’t know about your dumb arse but the deficits and shite that China and other fricking countries do in trade is pretty UNFAIR.
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