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re: Trump Signs EO To Change The Definition Of Birthright Citizenship
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Or.......he could just ignore the USSC just like Biden did with student loan forgiveness! Your guy just gave a whole lot of precedent in his 4 years of sleeping thru running the most powerful country that has ever existed in history!
ll the answers to these questions are in Wong Kim Ark
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:36 pm to the808bass
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It’s cute that you pretend that there’s no argument against Wong Kim Ark.
Wi Too Lo
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:37 pm to POTUS2024
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And you always like to ignore direct quotes from the people that wrote the 14th Amendment.
Because the Supreme Court ruling actually matters and this does not.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:38 pm to greygoose
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could just ignore the USSC just like Biden did with student loan forgiveness
This didn't happen
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That thread was posted on page 1 here.
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Link?
You didn’t answer yet.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
Do you ever get tired of hearing your own pompous bullshite?
I bet you’re the guy at the office that everybody else avoids like the black plague.
I bet you’re the guy at the office that everybody else avoids like the black plague.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:39 pm to the808bass
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It’s cute that you pretend that there’s no argument against Wong Kim Ark.
Which case overruled it?
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
The Supreme Court ruling also ignored the meaning.
-Chief Justice Gray
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and the debates in Congress are not admissible as evidence to control the meaning of those words.
-Chief Justice Gray
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:43 pm to the808bass
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I do not propose to say anything on that subject, except that the question of citizenship has been so fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion.
This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.
This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.
Senator Howard, introducing the 14th Amendment
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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need to learn that illegal aliens can't be prosecuted for crimes on US soil, though.
Trump says that subject to the jurisdiction thereof means not owing allegiance to any other country.
You imply that his interpretation grants immunity to illegals, since they'll be moved into a category of persons "not subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Even though you're applying your interpretation of that phrase and ignoring his interpretation.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:45 pm to the808bass
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The Supreme Court ruling also ignored the meaning.
Well every one since then has only strengthened the ruling in WKA.
Thomas, Gorsuch, and Alito are also textualists, which puts them into a corner juridically. They can always choose hypocrisy or political action (as Thomas did with the weird rambling irrelevant concurrence about special prosecutor appointment in the immunity ruling).
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:46 pm to JoeHackett
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rump says that subject to the jurisdiction thereof means not owing allegiance to any other country.
You imply that his interpretation grants immunity to illegals, since they'll be moved into a category of persons "not subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Even though you're applying your interpretation of that phrase and ignoring his interpretation.
Mine is based in the law, history, and textualism.
His is based in partisanship and hopium. It may win in the end, if the court decides to make the Constitution a living document. I specifically reject that, though. Most on here used to as well.
This post was edited on 1/20/25 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
You can argue how many angels dance on the head of a pin. Someone will have to actually do something whilst you write briefs and pontificate to nothingness.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Because the Supreme Court ruling actually matters and this does not.
Congrats on destroying your entire argument.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:48 pm to JoeHackett
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Even though you're applying your interpretation of that phrase and ignoring his interpretation.
Lawyers think sophistry is thinking.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:49 pm to the808bass
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This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Yes, we all know that ambassadors and foreign ministers are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US. As he says, it applies every other class of person.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Mine is based in the law, history, and textualism.
Doesn't matter, it's your logic that's flawed. How can interpreting "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" as not owing allegiance to any other country, grant immunity to illegals?
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:49 pm to the808bass
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Lawyers think sophistry is thinking.
The irony of you using sophistry there is amazing.
Hint: it's not "my" interpretation.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This didn't happen
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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who are foreigners, aliens
Missed a couple words there, hoss.
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