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re: Trump signed a peace plan between Russia & Ukraine - Ukraine might agree

Posted on 11/20/25 at 7:06 pm to
Posted by Fuzzy Dunlop
Member since Mar 2025
489 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 7:06 pm to
So the brain trust worked with Russia to come to an agreement giving Russia everything they want, you can't make this shite up

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For example, the proposal would not only bar Ukraine from joining NATO but would also prevent the alliance’s future expansion. Such a step would be a significant victory for Moscow, which views NATO as a threat.

Russian President Vladimir Putin would also gain ground that he has been unable to win on the battlefield. Under the draft, Moscow would hold all the eastern Donbas region, even though approximately 14% still remains in Ukrainian hands.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 7:15 pm to
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110937 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 7:15 pm to
Imagine wishcasting for MOAR WAR.
Posted by RelicBatches86
Florida
Member since Nov 2024
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 7:35 pm to
I dont see anything about Z agreeing to anything but the broad strokes are correct. his people were involved

Russia got everything it wanted

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KYIV/WASHINGTON, Nov 20 (Reuters) - President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said after talks with a top U.S. Army official on Thursday he was ready for "honest" work with Washington on a plan to end the war in Ukraine, while European allies pushed back against punishing concessions to Russia.

According to the U.S.-backed plan, seen by Reuters, Kyiv would be required to give up the entire Donbas region and significantly downsize its military, conditions long seen by Ukraine's allies as tantamount to capitulation.

The plan says Ukraine would have to limit its army to 600,000 troops and that it would "receive robust security guarantees," without providing further details.

It makes several concessions to Russia, including that Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognized as de facto Russian by the United States and that Ukrainian forces will withdraw from part of the Donetsk region that they control.

"This plan was drawn up immediately following discussions with one of the most senior members of President Zelenskiy's administration, Rustem Umerov, who agreed to the majority of the plan, after making several modifications, and presented it to President Zelenskiy," a senior U.S. official said.

"In the coming days, the President of Ukraine expects to discuss with President Trump the existing diplomatic opportunities and the key points required to achieve peace," it said.

The plan seen by Reuters also states that a non-aggression agreement would be concluded between Russia, Ukraine and Europe.
It says that NATO would neither expand further nor station troops in Ukraine and that Russia would be reintegrated into the global economy, with the lifting of sanctions "agreed upon in phases and on a case-by-case basis."

Russia would be invited to rejoin the G8 and the United States would enter into an agreement with Moscow covering energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data centers and rare earth metals extraction in the Arctic.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told a news briefing that Secretary of State Marco Rubio and U.S. special envoy Steve Witkoff had been quietly working on the plan for about a month and that Trump supports the plan.
This post was edited on 11/20/25 at 7:36 pm
Posted by uziyourillusion
Member since Dec 2024
654 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 8:23 pm to
Complete and utter capitulation to Russia. Trump really is Putin’s bitch.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 8:29 pm to
Russia holds more cards than Ukraine
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 8:30 pm to
Who cares?
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
20728 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 9:56 pm to


Everybody knows this is what should happen
And will happen

That little POS is the cause of hundreds of thousands of deaths

Take the frick out if he doesn’t agree

Let his own people do it
They would gladly do so
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38338 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 12:24 am to
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dems will still bitch because he didnt get it done on "day one"
That was an own goal. Nobody expected day-one peace but he couldn't help himself and promised it anyway. It’s not anyone else’s fault for remembering.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
19979 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 3:37 am to
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He would likely be signing his own death warrant


He might be dead if he doesnt. We all know they have been thiefing the place blind. Isnt it curious this latest 100 million dollar theft has become so public, why now????

And you notice how every article mentions it was money intended to be spent on air defense, while innocent Ukrainians are getting killed by those very bombs?

And every article says "close to zelensky", inner circle of zelensky, etc.

Nothing happens in politics by coincidence my friend.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
19979 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 3:59 am to
Thank you Rohan.

Russia already has everything except a small piece of Donbas which they will have in the coming months anyway, at the cost of several thousand more ukranian lives.

A better question would be, what will Ukraine have left if this continues for another year.

And you pieces of garbage that keep saying Trump is Putins "bitch" get your arses over there and fight or shut the fck up. You just want to continue to see people die because you believe the "Russia bad", while zelensky spends your tax dollars on Tuscany estates. You wanna get pissed, take it out on Nuland and our own govt who started this shat not Russia, and certainly not Trump who is trying to unwind what we started.
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
20728 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 9:18 am to
quote:

You wanna get pissed,

take it out on Nuland and our own govt who started this shat not Russia,

and certainly not Trump who is trying to unwind what we started.



Thank you Trinidad

I can’t understand why so many people don’t know this
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
76458 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 9:24 am to
"Well...while Mr Trump is busy patting himself on the back for ending a war he himself helped to start Americans are dying. Is this our America?"

Temu Obama
Posted by Bama Mountain
Member since Oct 2025
961 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 9:36 am to
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our own govt who started this shat not Russia,


Complete nonsense.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
96939 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 9:54 am to
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Trump promised to have this war settled before taking office. What a joke. Especially when the US president is a Putin puppet. Pathetic.



Your TDS riddled diatribe has been noted.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 10:03 am to


Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 12:12 pm to
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Putin made a statement regarding the U.S. plan to end the war in Ukraine.

Key points:

- Russia has received the 28-point U.S. peace plan, which could serve as the basis for an agreement with Ukraine.

- During the meeting in Anchorage, Russia agreed to show flexibility in its approach to a Ukrainian settlement.

- The U.S. plan for a settlement in Ukraine has not been publicly discussed in detail—only general outlines have been shared.

- The text of the plan has not been discussed with Russia in detail.

- The objectives of the “special military operation” are being pursued through armed struggle, but Russia is ready to resolve issues peacefully.

- Russia is prepared for peace negotiations, but this requires a detailed discussion of all aspects of the proposed plan.

- The U.S. has so far been unable to secure Ukraine’s agreement on the peace plan.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 12:13 pm to
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 12:14 pm to
Posted by Tigris
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Member since Jul 2005
13135 posts
Posted on 11/22/25 at 6:03 pm to
In all seriousness I've never voted for a Democrat in my life for major office. And I never will. But at this point I'll never vote for any candidate that identifies as MAGA. This is despicable.
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