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re: Trump Says Ukraine is Losing - But That’s Not the Situation on the Ground

Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:28 am to
Posted by lurking
Member since Nov 2022
2430 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:28 am to
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RFK


It’s almost 2026. Are you people really still pretending Ukraine can win? Or that you care about Ukraine for any other reason than you thought this war would embarrass Trump?

Because you were convinced he’s a Russian asset
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
38043 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:43 am to
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If Ukraine can reconstitute their reserves through recruitment, they can outlast the winter and stall any Trump demands to concede to Russian terms in the “peace” deal.

How high are you? Ukraine has been relying on conscription of people well above military age for a year, and would have been razed to ash three years ago if not for hundreds of billions of dollars of US Taxpayer money (of which $100B is still "unaccounted for").

Now I don't say that to shite on the people of Ukraine who are resisting, because their efforts and sheer will are admirable. These are brave and good people who continue to fight and die for their home in a losing war.

...but the eastern territories that Russia looks to control are already heavily Russia-sympathetic and that has been known for years. Russian journalist Darya Dugina did an excellent documentary on it during the early part of the war, before Kyiv ordered her murder in a car bombing in Moscow. There's a lot of "grey" that people overlook in this war, and it's important to have a broad perspective. It's also important to acknowledge the meddling that the US has done in Ukraine for years that contributed to this war beginning in the first place. Between what we know for a fact that we've done over there and what we've been accused of doing but has not been verified, we're not exactly innocent.
Posted by soonerinlOUisiana
South of I-10
Member since Aug 2012
2066 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:50 am to
Non-fåggots call it “Kiev”. Just like we call the death cult “moslems”.
Posted by RFK
Mar-a-Lago
Member since May 2012
3180 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:51 am to
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Let's see .... on the one hand the POTUS makes a claim. On the other, a fricking Major in the army makes a claim.
I want you to say this out loud and see how it sounds.

President Bone Spurs, a lifelong real estate agent, supposedly knows more about the true state of the front lines than a Ukrainian Major who has been doing the fighting?

More proof Cult 45 is robbing adults of their critical thinking abilities.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90771 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:52 am to
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President Bone Spurs, a lifelong real estate agent, supposedly knows more about the true state of the front lines than a Ukrainian Major who has been doing the fighting?

Look at this fricking retard, it's like the President doesn't have an entire DOW or Intelligence system at his disposal.

RFK brilliant!
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
38726 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:53 am to
Russia has, and always will be, a slow, lumbering beast. Very rarely do they move faster than anticipated. Russia is happy to throw bodies at this for a long time
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Member since Oct 2014
2107 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:54 am to
Trump is the source. He talks to both sides. And knows all the intelligence assessments. These outside “analysts” are full of shite.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23831 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:01 am to
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Thats how you reason with dictators.


Are you suggesting Zelensky is not a dictator.


Great point. While Putin may be a dictator, he hasn't sold out his country nor his people.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:04 am to
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If Ukraine can reconstitute their reserves through recruitment, they can outlast the winter and stall any Trump demands to concede to Russian terms in the “peace” deal.


This war has already wiped out an entire generation of Ukrainians. Both sides should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26538 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:05 am to
I remember when America promised to help guarantee Ukraine's independence back in the early 90's if they gave up their nuclear weapons. There was great fear that some of those nukes could end up on the black market.

Ukraine gave up their nukes and we gave our solemn promise.

Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102772 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:06 am to
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Ok. So use the ATCAMs we gave them to strike Red Square. Thats how you reason with dictators.


No that’s how Kiev gets introduced to an ICBM
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
68832 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:07 am to
Russia’s army has numbers but it isn’t that effective, tactically or strategically
Posted by RFK
Mar-a-Lago
Member since May 2012
3180 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:13 am to
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Look at this fricking retard, it's like the President doesn't have an entire DOW or Intelligence system at his disposal.
Because we all know he listens to his advisors, right?

Don’t tell me anyone close enough to actually advise him knows what is actually going on in Ukraine.

I’ll trust the Major who has actually been fighting.
Posted by GhostOfFreedom
Member since Jan 2021
13269 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:16 am to
Lots of young men around the world are going to get beautiful Ukrainian brides.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90771 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:16 am to
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Don’t tell me anyone close enough to actually advise him knows what is actually going on in Ukraine.

God dam you are running bank full of retard.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98251 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:19 am to
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President Bone Spurs, a lifelong real estate agent, supposedly knows more about the true state of the front lines than a Ukrainian Major who has been doing the fighting?



Your mask slipped. That same General said he had sniper models taking Russians out miles away

Also snake Island and the Cuck of Kiev took out 50 Russian jets by himself


You are a racist and love slave labor
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
89081 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:24 am to
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Because we all know he listens to his advisors, right?

Don’t tell me anyone close enough to actually advise him knows what is actually going on in Ukraine.

I’ll trust the Major who has actually been fighting.


You do understand that Majors aren't all that high up, right?

And that they're not very likely to have credible info on the overall strategic situation, right?

You should probably just walk away from this abortion of a thread while you can still salvage a shred of dignity. But you're not that smart, so you won't.
This post was edited on 12/12/25 at 10:25 am
Posted by RFK
Mar-a-Lago
Member since May 2012
3180 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:29 am to
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You do understand that Majors aren't all that high up, right?
Then it makes sense they’re on the front lines, where this report is coming from.

Not from generals in the rear.

Not from Trump’s advisors who want Russia to win.

Not from politicians who want a quick victory to try and justify a peace prize.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87383 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:29 am to
Imagine straight face posting a Ukrainian officer's propaganda as a rebuttal to Trump

"The world thinks the war is a quagmire: not so, says Westy!"
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
89081 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:33 am to
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Then it makes sense they’re on the front lines, where this report is coming from.


Damn, you really are retarded.

An anecdote from one part of the front (and a biased one at that) does NOT paint an accurate picture of the overall strategic situation.
This post was edited on 12/12/25 at 10:34 am
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