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re: Trump says he doesn’t think there’s anything that’ll get him to heaven

Posted on 10/13/25 at 5:27 am to
Posted by Jasharts77
Knoxville
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 10/13/25 at 5:27 am to
He converted like 3 or 4 years ago. Hes not interested in no heaven.
Posted by theballguy
Member since Oct 2011
30610 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 5:44 am to
You are either in the kingdom of heaven or in hell at the present moment. You can always choose at any moment. Sounds to me Trump ain’t doing too bad right now.
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
14183 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 5:49 am to
quote:

Trump believes in Merit, and might see Jesus’s Mercy as being a form of ‘Welfare’


You probably have hit the nail on the head.

I hope Trump comes to understand that even he needs Jesus.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
38679 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 6:24 am to
Trump gets more true love than most people ever dream of, SH. He originally based his quest to be the ‘greatest’ and experience the personal feelings therein , via status, fame and relative affluence power. I’m not sure that Trump’s Father knew the Feeling of Love and truly loved Trump. I think Trump did love his Brother, to the degree that he was able.

Albeit Trump, like many, live life and experience Love to varying degrees in their peers. Trump does have opportunities (given his status and power) to indeed have access to experiencing “the best “, but that don’t mean he could be it, or that he would choose love over power and status. The ideal would be to have both, yet not be corrupted by Power.

A POTUS has to make VERY spiritually problematic judgments and actions, bearing the heavy Karmic blood of countless ’innocents’ on their hands. I think this is what Trump realizes and therein acknowledges in his response to Doocy’s question. And it is why many of us who doubt Trump’s Christian Belief, admire his honesty and defense of Christianity and the many loving folk who do embrace it in hope of an eternal and loving relationship with our God Creator and all therein. Trump will get a lot of lobbying for Jesus’s mercy from those people.

Trump is learning, to experience Greater Love just like we all are. Moving towards‘Heaven’ as it were. At least or until we reach the crossroad where we must choose Love over the corrupting power, of Power via status and fame. Lucifer set the standard, and ‘Adam and Eve’ jumped in, and off we go on the road to truly knowing ’who’ we are.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3358 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 6:29 am to
quote:

King Cyrus the Great

Cyrus Christ, the Messiah


Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
38679 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 6:45 am to
WTH is that , Squirrel? You’re crazier than me.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
8980 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 6:56 am to
Guess what hot shot? Odds are you won’t make the gate either…..
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
100452 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:00 am to
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Nobody earns heaven. It is by grace. Believe in Christ. That is how you get there.


Yep. You can be as good of a human as possible and do all kinds of great things and good deeds and hurt nobody in your entire life and if you don’t believe in Christ and accept Him and ask to be saved then you aren’t getting in.


On the other hand a man who committed murder can show repentance and ask to be saved and he will. Some of the most devout Christians I know were absolute pieces of shite at one time
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61368 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:02 am to
47 needs to stop trying to earn his way into Heaven and believe upon the finished work of the only perfect one to walk this earth, and who paid the fare already on his behalf instead.

There are only two classes of people, those who will stand before God wrapped in their own righteousness, and those who stand before Him in Christ’s righteousness. That’s it.
Posted by BayouENGR
Seagrove Beach
Member since Nov 2015
2858 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:16 am to
Paging Franklin Graham!

Somebody needs to tell our president about the King of Kings and Lord of Lords stat
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
38679 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:19 am to
Very true, MT. But it is by our “works” that will determine our heavenly reward. Or lack thereof, which in effect would be a ‘punishment’ of sort. There will be massive differences in people’s relative ‘status’ in Heaven. I used to wonder what that would look like, until I took a good look around me. Note that Trump did say that “I might be in ‘heaven’ now”. He knows. A lot do. Now where he ends up in the next one, whether he moves up or goes down, is still to be determined. For all of us. And things are likely to get VERY challenging. Very soon.

I don’t know if Trump has the luxury of Jesus’ mercy and the Holy Spirit’s guidance and care, but without it he is in grave danger due to his spiritual status and power. If I were him I’d be on my knees to Jesus every time I caught a private break. Lest Satan overcome.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:24 am to
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61368 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:26 am to
quote:

Very true, MT. But it is by our “works” that will determine our heavenly reward. Or lack thereof, which in effect would be a ‘punishment’ of sort.


Absolutely spot on. Where people get confused is when people try to mix salvation with rewards based on how we live our lives, and that will drive a person to miss what saves them, and live in a constant state of having NO assurance, because their salvation is in what they do rather than what Christ already accomplished on their behalf. Our assurance is found in what God said. Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness. It certainly wasn’t his obedience or righteousness, in as much as it wasn’t David’s, or Lott’s or Noah’s, or Job’s, etc, etc.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45767 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:31 am to
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Trump a Calvinist?
Definitely not, if he doesn’t even know how to get to Heaven. Calvinism is all about the gospel, how we are saved from our sins.

I really hope the “faith leaders” he surrounds himself with are sharing the gospel with him and the Lord is gracious to use that to give him a new heart to receive and rest in Christ alone.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:34 am to
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I really hope


St. Augustine said: “Hope has 2 beautiful daughters; their names are Anger & Courage. Anger at the way things are, & Courage to see that they do not remain as they are.”
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
38679 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:38 am to
Do you think could do his job if he truly walked the Jesus’ path of Love and Mercy, Foo? A very bloody job at that, which will get worse in the near future. Just deporting the illegals who are pernicious predators will assure that the Left throws the kitchen sink at some point.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3358 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:39 am to
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WTH is that , Squirrel? You’re crazier than me.

It’s the Greek of Isaiah 45:1, where Cyrus (Persian Emperor and king of Babylon) is called the LORD’s anointed (Christ). In the Hebrew bible Cyrus is called the Hebrew word “Messiah” in this verse.

Hebrew - Messiah
Greek - Christ
English - anointed

The reason I posted a photo is because this board doesn’t display Greek characters.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45767 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:48 am to
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Do you think could do his job if he truly walked the Jesus’ path of Love and Mercy, Foo? A very bloody job at that, which will get worse in the near future. Just deporting the illegals who are pernicious predators will assure that the Left throws the kitchen sink at some point.
Yes, he could. The Bible teaches that the government wields the sword for good. Justice is a prerogative that belongs to the state, and it is authorized to do that which the Church or civilian Christian is not allowed to do, like arrest and kill for justice.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
38679 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:54 am to
K Squirrel.

The cultural context re the meaning of words as they are translated and interpreted by and in different cultural contextual scenarios is key. It would be obvious to anyone in the know that God would not designate Cyrus as THE Messiah, as that is essentially untrue. That God would annoint Cyrus as ‘A’ messiah/savior towards serving His purpose would not be an irrational reach.

It’s all hidden, IMO, but to/for those who have the Holy Spirit’s help in deciphering the greatest riddle in existence. “Eyes that see and ears that hear”, as it were. And most profound and definitive. That ‘riddle’ will be solved pretty soon. AI will assure that.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
38679 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:02 am to
Not to be contrarian, Foo, but “he that leadeth into captivity, goeth into captivity “. Are the Palestinians who support Hamas deserving of the pain that is inflicted upon them via the actions of Hamas?

As a Democratic (Constitutional) Republic , will we be accountable for what our Government does in the name of ‘peace’, freedom and security? Is there a turn the cheek line of the whip you believe would be spiritually injurious?

Hate to bail but I have to go to work. We’ll get there, with the Lord’s help. Be well.
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