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re: Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:07 am to gizmoflak
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:07 am to gizmoflak
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Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall
He didn't say when they would pay for it.
Don't worry, folks, America will recoup her investment from Mexico and then some in due course
bullshite!!
You guys will believe anything.
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Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:11 am to Powerman
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Probably more difficult than you would think
You can use a number of different free apps to transfer money
Perhaps, but I sure see a lot of Hispanic males standing in line at local Western Union outlets waiting to send money abroad.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:15 am to GumboPot
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The interpretation of this statement right here separates the non-creative mind from the creative mind. "Mexico will pay for the wall" interpretation from the non-creative mind literally means Mexico will write a check for wall construction. "Mexico will pay for the wall" interpretation from the creative mind spans the gamut of ideas starting with Mexico will write a check for wall construction to fiscal offsets from savings, trade rebalancing, remittance taxes, etc., etc. President Trump most certainly falls in the latter category. He's a successful business man and one trait that is pretty consistent across successful business people is the ability to think creatively on the fly. If this president can nip illegal immigration in the bud with the help of a physical wall the costs savings from reduced illegal immigration will more than offset the measly costs of a physical wall. Hell, the re-balancing of trade in the new USMC trade agreement will offset the measly costs of a wall. The wall is a good business decision.
Mic drop
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:23 am to gizmoflak
The tax payer money we will save from illegals getting free health care and food stamps is good enough for me.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:32 am to Chimlim
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The tax payer money we will save from illegals getting free health care and food stamps is good enough for me.
A wall would do nothing for the illegals that are overstayers who entered legally, which is something like half, according to Pew.
It would also do nothing about illegals that don't enter via the southern border, which is another big chunk.
Most importantly, it will do nothing to rid us of the illegals that are already here.
Simply assuming that it's all saved, even if the number weren't inflated, doesn't pay for the wall because the wall doesn't do anything to guarantee any part of that savings.
The wall represents an emotional lashing out and middle finger to mexicans, not an actual attempt to solve any problem.
This post was edited on 12/21/18 at 9:34 am
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:34 am to NASA_ISS_Tiger
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He also didn't say HOW. I guess liberals can only think of one way that things can be paid for. The reduction of illegal aliens from our southern border and the strain they put on the American welfare system(s) could help tremendously in the form of paying for the wall too.
Blah, blah, blah, Trump is lying sack of garbage.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:36 am to gizmoflak
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He didn't say when they would pay for it.
If that's what you gotta tell yourself to get past Donald lying to you.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:37 am to gizmoflak
In your fantasy.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:38 am to LongGun
I wish we would find a way to hit them directly so Luis Gutierrez would have a Grand Mal Seizure on the House floor
This post was edited on 12/21/18 at 10:07 am
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:39 am to gizmoflak
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America will recoup her investment from Mexico and then some in due course.
Yeah?
Well, we're still waiting to recoup the expense of the Iraq War from all their oil sales.
Remember these gems...?
3/27/03 testimony before a Senate Appropriations Hearing
quote:
Rumsfeld: I don't believe that the United States has the responsibility for reconstruction, in a sense...[Reconstruction] funds can come from those various sources I mentioned: frozen assets, oil revenues and a variety of other things, including the Oil for Food, which has a very substantial number of billions of dollars in it.
Wolfowitz: We're dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon.
I'm not falling for that shite again.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:42 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Well, we're still waiting to recoup the expense of the Iraq War from all their oil sales
How much did the Iraq War cost vs. The Wall?
We are talking many orders of magnitude here. Dumb analogy is dumb.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:42 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Perhaps, but I sure see a lot of Hispanic males standing in line at local Western Union outlets waiting to send money abroad.
If I had to guess this is a lie
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:46 am to 90proofprofessional
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A wall would do nothing for the illegals that are overstayers who entered legally
No one is making that claim.
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It would also do nothing about illegals that don't enter via the southern border
No one is making that claim.
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Most importantly, it will do nothing to rid us of the illegals that are already here.
No one is making that claim.
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Simply assuming that it's all saved, even if the number weren't inflated, doesn't pay for the wall because the wall doesn't do anything to guarantee any part of that savings.
Then it will pay for itself from other offsets.
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The wall represents an emotional lashing out and middle finger to mexicans, not an actual attempt to solve any problem.
Wrong. The wall is part of the attempt to solve the illegal immigration on the southern border. It might be emotional but it's an objective tool to limit migrations from south of the border, dissuade the deadly migrant trek through Central America, help quell human trafficking by coyotes and cartel members through the southern border, and discourage your local NGO from promoting illegal immigration for profit.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:50 am to gizmoflak
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Dumb analogy is dumb.
We were promised someone else would pay. They didn't. Now we're being promised someone else will pay.
I'm not falling for it (I didn't really believe it the first time).
Remember when Republicans used to care about the budget and the national debt? What happened?
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:50 am to GumboPot
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No one is making that claim.
every single person that compares the price of the wall to the estimated cost of illegals to find a favorable cost/benefit implicitly makes this claim precisely
otherwise the comparison is always invalid on its face
have you ever pointed this out? Of course not. You say things like:
quote:
If this president can nip illegal immigration in the bud with the help of a physical wall the costs savings from reduced illegal immigration will more than offset the measly costs of a physical wall. Hell, the re-balancing of trade in the new USMC trade agreement will offset the measly costs of a wall.
(ignoring that USMCA will not "rebalance" trade and even if it did, that's not paying for any effort of the government)
This post was edited on 12/21/18 at 9:53 am
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:54 am to Powerman
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Perhaps, but I sure see a lot of Hispanic males standing in line at local Western Union outlets waiting to send money abroad.
If I had to guess this is a lie
Why? Remittances to Mexico averages over $2 Billion per month. I'm sure Western Union handles a large portion of that service.
For example:
LINK
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:58 am to 90proofprofessional
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gnoring that USMCA will not "rebalance" trade
FWIW, rebalanced does not mean net zero. I just means some of that previous $70 billion plus trade surplus that Mexico enjoyed under NAFTA will be rebalanced on the U.S. side.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:59 am to Powerman
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If I had to guess this is a lie
Well you would be wrong yet again
Posted on 12/21/18 at 10:04 am to Powerman
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If I had to guess this is a lie
You'd guess wrong. See it all the time at the western union counter at several grocery stores in my neighborhood.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 10:04 am to GumboPot
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FWIW, rebalanced does not mean net zero. I just means some of that previous $70 billion plus trade surplus that Mexico enjoyed under NAFTA will be rebalanced on the U.S. side.
how exactly? USMCA is nearly-identical to its predecessor "the worst trade deal ever made" regarding trade barriers
slightly-higher rules of origin requirements and a higher mexican minimum wage for automotive workers isn't going to come close to compensating the government for what it would pay for a wall
This post was edited on 12/21/18 at 10:05 am
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