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re: Trump on FOX - we're doing away with federal air traffic control

Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:52 pm to
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:52 pm to
We have Private Air Traffic Control facilities now that handle commercial, military, and general aviation. It is a quasi government system which falls uniformly under the FAAO 7110.65. The difference between the federal contract tower program and the FAA is pensions and retirement. In the FAA the retirement age for non mangers is 56. FCT most of the controllers are switching over from military service or retired FAA guys. Pretty much the main difference will be is the company who contracts out the facility will be in charge of managing personal and the pension system will change to a 401k type system. Controllers who are already working will just end up working for a contractor that will manage them rather than the FAA.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 12:55 pm
Posted by Remote Controlled
Member since Apr 2013
6859 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:03 pm to
Are you a SERCO guy?

There are no large contract facilities for ATC. This won't change with privatization. The Level 8's and above will be part of the corporation, all the lower levels will be contractor ATC.

The TRACON I work at is the largest in the country and will have more than 50% eligible for retirement when we fold over. I suspect there will be mass retirements. I'll be eligible, and if RIF or early retirement is on the table, I'll absolutely take it, and then come back as a contractor.
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

Airlines will try to get as many planes in the sky as possible to make the most money.


I think they are probably already doing that you fricking idiot


Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10728 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

Air travelers could be on the hook to cover 20 to 29 percent higher costs if the U.S. moves to a private air traffic control (ATC) organization funded through “user fees,” according to a new study released today by Delta Air Lines.


If you want to fly you should pay for ATC why should "we" pay for it with tax payers dollars?
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:14 pm to


Placebo Presidency
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
9907 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:14 pm to
Former RVA and got tired of waiting for the FAA ( applied then they had the hiring freeze.) when I finally got a TOL letter I was living abroad. I was using FCT as an example I am not sure how they will implement full privatization. My guess will be like Nav Canada or DFS.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 1:16 pm
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61866 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:15 pm to
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the airlines have done such a great job with customer service and trip quality that I definitely want them to run air traffic as well.




Yeah, because the government has done such a bang up job on everything it does, right?
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:15 pm to
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If you want to fly you should pay for ATC why should "we" pay for it with tax payers dollars?


That's a poor argument. I mean do we charge people who have been robbed for police services , or do we pay for those services via taxes?
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:20 pm to
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Personally for me if radar has worked this well for so long, why screw it up?


Because going from public to private means we are changing the functionality of radar. Lol
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
11033 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:26 pm to
We should turn over all air traffic control to the Air Force. Makes the most sense in terms of security and increasing government presence in our lives. Nothing wrong with our brave heroes in the Air Force managing air traffic control at all levels.
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:34 pm to
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We should turn over all air traffic control to the Air Force. Makes the most sense in terms of security and increasing government presence in our lives. Nothing wrong with our brave heroes in the Air Force managing air traffic control at all levels.


The AF should be abolished in it's entirety.

It doesn't serve a single function that couldn't be handled by another agency of the government.

Posted by DevilDogTiger
RTWFY!
Member since Nov 2007
6575 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:37 pm to
The NAS would collapse in seconds
Even the Air Force has civilian DOD controllers at Air Force bases to work them.
Posted by DevilDogTiger
RTWFY!
Member since Nov 2007
6575 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:38 pm to
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The TRACON I work at

A80?
Posted by Remote Controlled
Member since Apr 2013
6859 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:50 pm to
SCT
Posted by Remote Controlled
Member since Apr 2013
6859 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

I am not sure how they will implement full privatization. My guess will be like Nav Canada or DFS.


Here's a link to Shusters bill from last year. It should look very similar to this.
Posted by flyAU
Member since Dec 2010
24900 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:01 pm to
My God this thread is filled with people that have no clue how outdated our ATC is and pretty much everything to help move it forward is a very good thing.
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:03 pm to
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we're doing away with federal air traffic control
Beware the unions.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:05 pm to
This is a big giveaway to the unions
Posted by Remote Controlled
Member since Apr 2013
6859 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:06 pm to
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we are changing the functionality of radar. Lol


Not really. Radars haven't changed much in the last 20 years or so for the FAA. There's a reason, they are pretty rock solid technology at this point.

The one inherent problem with them is scan time. A terminal radar has a 5 second scan and a long rand en-route radar has a 12 second scan rate. That means that after the acft is "pinged" it won't be seen in live time for another 5-12 seconds. This means that software has to guess where the acft is in relation to its last acquired bearing. This is why there are spacing requirements.

NexGen ADS-B or GPS has a 1 second scan rate and will allow for better spacing requirements and more direct routes. When you hear them say GPS, it isn't like the GPS in your car. It's still a ground based transmitter that receives bearing, alt, and speed information from properly equipped acft, and uses GPS satellite data to decide where the acft actually is in the airspace.

It's a difficult implementation in such a vast and crowded Airspace. That and funding issues are why it's moving slowly.

We have everything in place here in SOCAL and are slowly transitioning into new routes and fixes. I say slowly because this Airspace is congested and implementation has safety at the forefront.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
56127 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:07 pm to
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This is a big giveaway to the unions


Our controllers are already unionized aren't they?
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