re: Trump declares Biden’s pardons as VOID bc they were done by autopen

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they are going to run into the 25th Amendment which specifically deals with the issue and it was never invoked

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This perspective requires the cooperation of a band of usurping criminals who were calling the shots behind the curtain during the illegitimate Biden-Harris regime.

"A bunch of criminals ignored the law a thousand times, including self-reporting their crimes. Oh well. Guess they got us on a technicality. "

That's retarded.

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This perspective requires the cooperation of a band of usurping criminals who were calling the shots behind the curtain during the illegitimate Biden-Harris regime.

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You are making an emotional, partisan argument that has no legal or Constitutional basis.

I think there is some truth to the contention that Biden/Harris were not "in charge" but my personal opinion is irrelevant.

The Constitution says what it says.

And just to be clear I think Trump knows all of this and this is him doing typical Trump inflammatory things for a specific reason. It could be that he wants everyone especially dems to spend large resources arguing and distracting over something while he does a lot of other things that are actually real.

Trump specifically addressed this myriad times during his 2024 campaign. This still falls under his jewelry store theft analogy. Once apprehended, the thieves do not get to keep the diamonds.

Any semblance of a legacy or record of a Biden presidency would be allowing the criminals to keep the diamonds. He has said repeatedly that that will not stand, and he is warming the public up to what is coming.

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And, as I've said before, the "President" is an office, not a person. Normal state-based contract law for people doesn't apply to the President. The Constitution is our legal framework for that office. Just the same as how the President is immune from most criminal and civil liability for his actions. They aren't subject to normal laws there, either.

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Correct and better put than I did

But just take it to the logical conclusion.

Remember all of the stupid crap about Trump being unfit and whether the 25th should be invoked for him last time?

Now imagine some activist judge being able to declare based on "evidence" after he leaves office that actually he was unfit and his acts are now null and void. 25th never invoked. Its absurd on its face

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Trump specifically addressed this myriad times during his 2024 campaign. This still falls under his jewelry store theft analogy. Once apprehended, the thieves do not get to keep the diamonds.

Any semblance of a legacy or record of a Biden presidency would be allowing the criminals to keep the diamonds. He has said repeatedly that that will not stand, and he is warming the public up to what is coming.

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None of this is relevant to a Constitutional argument. Its partisan grandstanding not rational arguments.

My personal partisan thoughts on the topic aren't relevant (even though they are probably more in line with you than you expect)

Got it. Chasing ghosts it is and will forever be.

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His branch is there to enforce them.

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Prosecuting is exactly what he is saying should happen.

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I said promise ridiculous stuff.

He promised cuts, which are the ridiculous "stuff: lol:

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Populists don't care about things like that. That's in the realm of actual policy.

At this point, real federal spending cuts are as fake as the Epstein/JFK files, to me.

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I think I'm being clear and you're responding at least to some degree tongue in cheek, but I'll try again just in case we're still talking past each other.

What I'm saying he has a short leash on is promising WWF-style dramatic investigations with outcomes that involve Democrats or other enemies going to prison. Unless they also involve revealing UFO or Globalist Jew conspiracy cover-ups, populists do not care about spending.

They will say they do but they don't, and if you doubt it, show them a pie chart of the federal budget and ask them how we are going to significantly cut spending without cutting SS/Medicare.

Hopefully that's specific enough.

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And, as I've said before, the "President" is an office, not a person. Normal state-based contract law for people doesn't apply to the President. The Constitution is our legal framework for that office. Just the same as how the President is immune from most criminal and civil liability for his actions. They aren't subject to normal laws there, either.

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After some looking, I think my position was wrong, and this is correct. It is counter to equities in my opinion, but seems to be that you can't retroactively declare a president incompetent, or a presidential order invalid due to lack of capacity. Just hard to visualize where a president, completely out of his mind, pardons "Godzilla" for killing all of those people, and such, while being utterly non-sensical, is considered a valid enforceable Order. I guess, trying to rationalize, were it not that way, every presidency would end with a myriad of legal challenges for any number of actions taken.

That being said, I guess the question of whether Biden actually granted the pardon is a different matter.....though again, I don't know what the mechanism for challenge would be (if any), and I don't know what you would have to show.