re: Trump backs push for Bible classes in schools

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That's nice. Your god had nothing to do with the changes your dad made. I don't care how well you know him. The idea of your god? Sure, I'd buy that. Like I said, some people need religion to be decent people.

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Even if I found out after death that there is no God of the Bible and that what my dad experienced was purely a placebo effect, it still would not deter from the benificial changes in his life and how it affected those of us around him.
And that makes my point about the positive influences associated with studying the Bible.

So basically...we agree.

Some people need religion to be better people.

Some don't.

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I don't have a problem with what you said. Just don't pretend that you didn't say it when it doesn't suit your argument.

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I really wouldn't want a secular teacher who may or may not know what she's talking about teaching my kids about the Bible. But, I have no problem if people want to study it as a elective.
There is a scripture that God's word won't return void, and I'm convinced that any reading of God's word is beneficial to the person reading it and to society long term.
So it was for this reason that I advocated for the studying of the Bible in schools.

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Clear violation of the first amendments establishment clause

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It amazes me that people still try and mischaracterize to purpose of the Separation Clause and ignore its origin and even, it's clear words.

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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

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They are always quick to quote the first part, but totally ignore the second.
The ancestors of the Founding Fathers came form England, where the Church of England ran both religion and the government. They dictated what a person should beieve and it was enforced by law though the state.
Wanting to escape this Church/ Goverment set up, they fleed to America, where they could worship freely without fear of governent intervention.
They wanted the state out of the church, but didn't expect that the chuch would not or could not affect the government.
The mischaracterization of the Separation Clause is kin to the lie that Democrats, not Republicans fought for the civil rights of blacks.
But I guess if one tells a lie long enough, and the populace in uneducated enough, lies become truths.

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where they could worship freely without fear of governent intervention.

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That's right
That's why we don't promote one religion over any other in public settings
Because that would not allow people to worship freely

Never understood why reading and discussing the Bible in school was such a controversial issue.

It's the most famous book in history.

We study the Iliad and Odyssey in school.

Nobody is telling these kids you have to be Christian or believe in God.

You are reading a book and you have your mind and you are discussing it class. What the frick is the big deal? Are we indoctrinating kids if they read Shakespeare in school?

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Go to private school if you want bible class. Go to Sunday school.

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Same could be said for a history class.

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What the frick is the big deal? Are we indoctrinating kids if they read Shakespeare in school?

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Quote me a Shakespearean line that states if you don't believe in his fictional stories, you'll be condemned to suffer a literal eternity in a literal torment.

If you can't see the differences between Shakespeare and Biblical bullshite, it's no wonder you have zero issues with this clear violation of the Establishment Clause.

We can teach about religion in school. But it needs to be on a historical context. A bible class is putting one religion over others.

Sex education is something everyone needs to learn.

Teaching LGBT history is like another era of the civil rights movement.

This is a terrible idea. I seriously doubt you could find enough public school teachers in 2019 who would do the subject matter justice to fill a high school stadium. This is pandering like the faith based charity initiative was under Bush and look how that backfired.