re: Trump backs push for Bible classes in schools

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Same could be said for a history class.

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I agree.

2 hours of math
2 hours of science
2 hours of literature/english /writing/coding
1 hour of physical exercise

Then send em home.

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If Hell is indeed fictional as you purport, why would it be different than reading McBeth which speaks about Heaven and Hell?

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What!? Are you seriously asking this question? It's "Macbeth" and it's fiction or at least universally regarded as a fictional retelling of a true story.

Christians believe and teach Hell is a real place of real consequence to nonbelievers, including and perhaps especially to fricking children. We can have this conversation again (you'll still lose) after a mainstream Christian movement successfully relegates the rather stupid idea of Hell to the heap of Biblican mythology, like a 6,000 year old Earth, but it may be a net loss after a fear-based racket like Christianty suffers an even bigger drop in new subscriptions without its most precious scare tactic.

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First line, "Congress shall make no law.."

A public school allowing a bible class elective to be taught has nothing to do with Comgress making a law respecting an establishment of religion, and no matter how many times you say it, it won't change.


or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.


And Congress can't pass any laws that prohibit the free exercising of religion. That's pretty plain.

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So, this is where it gets interesting, and this is why we have the SC. To most of the population capable of looking at a situation like this objectively (religious at heart or otherwise), the fact that we have a meticulously crafted secular nation makes the 1st Amendment abundantly clear on this issue, but the FF could not have predicted every devious little attempt by shitbag Christians to change a nation of Christians into a Christian nation, so further interpretation is warranted.

We have somewhere north of FORTY Supreme Court rulings on the Establishment Clause and SIXTY that include the Free Excercise Clause (many of which rightfully protect religious freedoms that are divorced from government, which I agree with) that have occurred over the past 130 years that lay out with perfection that your personal interpretation of the 1st Amendment is indeed Dead. fricking. Wrong.

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Same could be said for a history class

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Spoken like an ignorant American. Without learning history you can't understand the context of what is going on in the world today either domestically or internationally and you get put at a real disadvantage

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Without learning history you can't understand the context of what is going on in the world today

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I didn't say that we shouldn't learn history. It's the state sponsored version or time period of history that I have a problem with.

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That's why we don't promote one religion over any other in public settings

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Where is Congress making a law to recognize Christianity in this school over another? CONGRESS!

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What!? Are you seriously asking this question? It's "Macbeth" and it's fiction or at least universally regarded as a fictional retelling of a true story.

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And you said Hell was fictional, so how is reading a fictional story in the Bible different than reading McBeth's fictional account of heaven and hell?

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Nowhere, dumbass, because it's against the law

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So thanks for admitting that a public school allowing the Bible to be taught as a elective isn't the same a congress passing a law to do the same, which would be illegal.
That is, unless you are implying that a public school and congress are synonymous?
In that case, maybe a Louisiana high school can pass a law to fund the border wall!

There was a voluntary bible class at Paducah Tilghman when I was in Kentucky. Early and mid 60s.

Started before first period.

We jews just shrugged.

The trick is to make these classes genuinely consider alternative realities to the dominant paradigm.

No one is pretending this spate is anything more than dominant paradigm reinforcing same old teachings.

Father god made it all.
He can get angry.
Do what he says.
Don't look too closely at what old testament really says.

Believe that Mary was a virgin.
Lol.
Believe that killing Jesus was part of plan.
Believe that if you think Jesus died for you then your sins can't touch you.

Love your neighbor like you love yourself.

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You're completely ignorant of the judicial history regarding the 1st amendment and its relationship to religion in public schools

Teaching "Bible History" as an elective without also offering "Koran History", "Talmud History", "The Satanic Bible History", etc, is a loser and wouldn't stand up in court

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Prefrickingcisely. I don't know if he's naive, ignorant or willfully ignoring the fact that the SC already has a few dozen Establishment Clause rulings occurring over a span of 100+ years.

And why do the people in this thread that support unlawfully injecting Jesus into public schools continue to ignore the perfectly valid point about offering competing religions?

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Prefrickingcisely. I don't know if he's naive, ignorant or willfully ignoring the fact that the SC already has a few dozen Establishment Clause rulings occurring over a span of 100+ years.

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Maybe this has never entered your mind, but consider this. Why should ," the Supreme Court decided" argument be the end all be all of debates ? How many Supreme Court rulings are unanimous? And if they aren't unanimous, why so ?
Surely these brilliant legal minds would all be on the same page if laws were clearly black and white and not open for interpretation right?
But a judge who believes in original intent rules one way, and a judge who believes that the constitution is living and should be interpreted considering the moral leanings of the time, votes a different way.
Then a judge on the losing side writes a descenting opinion about why the other side is wrong.
So yes, there have been many rulings on this topic, I just think the decisions are wrong.