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re: Trump admin now pivoting on Epstein? Benny Johnson and Charlie Kirk involved

Posted on 7/15/25 at 8:54 am to
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 8:54 am to
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SlowFlowPro


Timely.
Posted by Giantkiller
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 8:56 am to
How about THAT for a horn toot:

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Important to note, this drastic change happened after Charlie Kirk and a number of other powerful MAGA voices pushed back on the handling of the Epstein case...


Oh sure. You guys did it. Not the fricking chorus of voices screaming from the void - it was you guys.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:00 am to
Sorry, but his story is so far beyond that.

I know you are trying to be cold water guy, and I get that. This board needs that.

But casual tenor and rationalization doesn't break through this particular armor.

Darryl Cooper does a pretty good breakdown with Scott Horton of the bullet points. None of what he says is debatable, contested, or "conspiratorial"

All 100% facts. He will say things like "one could make a connection" and stuff like that, but ge largely leaves all the conclusions to the listener.

I know nobody ever has time for these things, but here's to hoping



Drryl has a 3-part series on "Martyr Made" where he goes WAAAAAAAY more in depth with regards to the points he lists
This post was edited on 7/15/25 at 9:04 am
Posted by KiwiHead
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:02 am to
Just wait until there is a Special Counsel announced. The twisting will make the knots now look like an introduction to knot making in the Boy Scouts
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:03 am to
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I know nobody ever has time for these things,


No need. Just use Gemini

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Summarize in great detail the evidence discussed about Jeffery Epstein in this video


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This video provides a detailed discussion about Jeffrey Epstein, focusing on the inconsistencies and suspicious circumstances surrounding his case, particularly the Justice Department's claim that he had no clients.

Here's a summary of the evidence and arguments presented:

Lack of Clients and Evidence:

The Justice Department stated they found no reason to believe Epstein had any clients, suggesting it was just him and Ghislaine Maxwell involved in the abuse [01:05].

Despite previous reports of thousands of victims [01:23] and Epstein's New York mansion being wired for video and sound with evidence like CD-ROMs, authorities claimed this was "personal stuff" and not blackmail material against powerful individuals [01:33].

The hosts question why Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted of human trafficking if there were no clients [02:23].

Epstein's Background and Wealth:

The discussion highlights the mystery surrounding Epstein's wealth and how he gained access to elite circles [17:07].

He reportedly only accepted accounts of a billion dollars or more, a claim that is deemed absurd given his background [18:25].

Epstein's career trajectory is scrutinized:

He dropped out of college and was hired as a high school math teacher at the prestigious Dalton School in New York City despite no teaching experience [000:23:25].

He left the Dalton School after complaints of inappropriate behavior with young girls [24:04].

He then worked at Bear Stearns in a "special products division," where he reportedly helped wealthy people hide money, essentially acting as a money launderer [28:16]. He was let go for regulatory violations but maintained close ties with the firm's executives [28:44].

At 28, with a limited and problematic resume, he was seen on a private plane with British arms dealer Douglas Lee, heading to a meeting at the Pentagon [30:28]. This suggests a role as a skilled money launderer for intelligence operations [35:51].

Connections to Intelligence Agencies:

Alex Acosta's Statement: Alex Acosta, the US Attorney who gave Epstein a lenient plea deal in 2007, stated during his vetting for Labor Secretary under Trump that his "bosses told him that Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone" [14:14]. This implies high-level government knowledge and protection of Epstein.

Donald Barr and Bill Barr: Donald Barr, the headmaster who hired Epstein at the Dalton School, had previously worked for the OSS (precursor to the CIA) [25:09]. Donald Barr also wrote a science fiction novel, "Space Relations," depicting child sexual abuse and slavery [25:34]. Donald Barr is also the father of Bill Barr, who was the Attorney General when Epstein was arrested in 2018 and oversaw the prison where Epstein died [24:53]. Bill Barr himself had a significant role as a legal intern for the CIA during the 1970s hearings, acting as a liaison with Congress [27:14].

Robert Maxwell: Epstein was introduced to Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell's father, in 1983 [41:03]. Robert Maxwell was a former British intelligence agent with deep connections to Zionism and was involved in black market arms deals, including supplying weapons to Zionists in defiance of embargoes [43:39].

Leslie Wexner: Leslie Wexner, a multi-billionaire and founder of Limited Brands, gave Epstein full power of attorney over his entire business operation [21:11]. Wexner is described as having deep connections to Israeli intelligence and was part of the "mega group," a collection of Jewish and Canadian billionaires who sought to influence American foreign policy in a pro-Likud direction and commissioned research for Israeli intelligence [01:11:37].

Southern Air Transport (CIA Airline): Jeffrey Epstein facilitated the purchase of Southern Air Transport, a CIA-run company involved in black ops and Iran-Contra, for Les Wexner [59:01].

Ahud Barak: Ahud Barak, former head of Israeli military intelligence and Prime Minister of Israel, was reportedly close with Epstein, living with him at times and starting a tech business with former Unit 8200 (Israeli NSA) members [01:02:05].

Epstein's Claims: Several people who knew Epstein, even before his sexual abuse allegations became public, claimed he had ties to intelligence agencies [01:01:47].

Israel Visit: In 2007, after his conviction but before sentencing, Epstein went to Israel for six weeks and was reportedly convinced by people there to return to the US to serve his time, as Israel does not extradite Jewish individuals [01:04:04].

Blackmail and Control:

The theory that Epstein was blackmailing powerful individuals is discussed, with the idea that he would compromise them with underage girls [55:03].

However, the hosts also question the extent of this, noting that some individuals, like Bill Clinton, might not have cared about such leverage [56:02].

The "Canora boys home scandal" in Northern Ireland is cited as an example of MI5 monitoring a pedophile ring to gather compromising information on politicians, suggesting a similar dynamic could have been at play with Epstein [01:23:33]. This implies intelligence agencies might not have set up the ring but exploited it for intelligence gathering [01:25:10].

Suspicious Deaths and Cover-ups:

The video highlights a pattern of individuals connected to Epstein dying by "suicide" in jail: the DC madam, Jean-Luc Brunel (Epstein's accomplice), and Epstein himself [01:06:24].

Epstein's lawyers and brother were adamant that he would not have killed himself, citing his past ability to navigate legal troubles and his remaining legal options [01:20:00].

The hosts criticize the media and government for not thoroughly investigating Acosta's claims and for quickly closing the case, suggesting a cover-up to protect institutions and avoid public distrust [01:09:13].

Political Figures and Connections:

Bill Clinton is mentioned as having visited Epstein's island, and his past alleged sexual assault of Juanita Broaddrick is brought up to suggest a pre-existing pattern of behavior [50:12].

Tony Podesta, a prominent Democratic lobbyist, is discussed in relation to his art collection, which depicted pedophilic and child violence themes, openly displayed in his home [08:54].

Anthony Blinken, current Secretary of State, is noted as having a stepfather who was Robert Maxwell's main lawyer and confidant, and the last person to speak to Maxwell before his death [01:13:33].

The Bronfman sisters, heirs to the Seagrams liquor fortune and former clients of Epstein at Bear Stearns, were also main figures in the Nexium sex cult [01:22:16].

The overall argument is that the official narrative surrounding Epstein's case is highly suspicious and that a vast network of powerful individuals, potentially including intelligence agencies, were involved in or benefited from his activities, which extended beyond simple financial management to include money laundering, arms dealing, and potentially blackmail and child exploitation.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:06 am to
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The hosts question why Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted of human trafficking if there were no clients


Not starting out well

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He then worked at Bear Stearns in a "special products division," where he reportedly helped wealthy people hide money, essentially acting as a money launderer [28:16]. He was let go for regulatory violations but maintained close ties with the firm's executives [28:44].

At 28, with a limited and problematic resume, he was seen on a private plane with British arms dealer Douglas Lee, heading to a meeting at the Pentagon [30:28]. This suggests a role as a skilled money launderer for intelligence operations [35:51].

Again, good with math/finance and no morals.

Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:08 am to
You are cherry picking

Give the podcast a listen, he makes a solid case

The Ghislaine assertion makes sense in the context of what he was saying
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:11 am to
I nominate a joint special counsel team of Sessions and Bill Barr
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:12 am to
Maxwell being an intel agent and Epstein being the mark makes more sense than Epstein running the show, FWIW, both in terms of who is still alive and the actual connections to the intel world.

However, Maxwell being prosecuted (and alive) is the biggest issue with that theory (or any CT relating to intel ops and the duo).

The fact that we have actual witnesses/victims giving actual testimony against both (in 3 separate cases) that is almost exclusive to both also hurts the CTs.
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:14 am to
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You see claims and suppositions wrapped around a Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy. That's not evidence.


A house full of hidden cameras?


As I said elsewhere, you can't force someone to accept what is or isn't evidence. That you don't see it doesn't mean that it objectively doesn't exist.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:17 am to
I mean, we have f-ing Kash and Bongino, two of the top three guys on planet earth you would pick to wreck shop. And they contribute to a memo to close the file. And the third guy you would pick (Gaetz) now says Bondi is a star. What in the world is happening? Like you said, we are going to hand this off to a Bob Mueller now? I guess there could be some 88D intergalactic chess that the files have been purged or compromised and a special counsel is the only hope for justice now, but that is a hail mary.
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Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:17 am to
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Maxwell being an intel agent and Epstein being the mark makes more sense than Epstein running the show
Darryl says exactly that, numerous times. . .especially on MartyrMade.

He isn't saying Jeff is some mastermind.

Just that he is involved.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:17 am to
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house full of hidden cameras?

That filmed what, exactly?

You don't know and I don't know either.

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you can't force someone to accept what is or isn't evidenc

Theoretically, in the pure objective it's evidence, but it's not evidence for the claims or assertions being made. You can be pedantic about it, but I thought we were talking about evidence of a sexual trafficking Network around Epstein (or something similar)

What was produced by the cameras that has any association with the above? I don't know of anything and I doubt you do but I don't know your connections in the administration or DOJ
Posted by BTROleMisser
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:17 am to
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It’s amateur hour in the White House. This has to be the most unmeasured, shoot from the hip, indecisive administration in history.


Get some therapy for your TDS, pussy... It's pretty bad.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:19 am to
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I guess there could be some 88D intergalactic chess that the files have been purged or compromised and this is the only hope for justice now, but I give that a 1% likelihood.

Let's assume this is true. What does the administration get by passing this off to a special counsel, when they could do this themselves? Why would they pass on the political ammunition on a second level? Why would they pass on all this ammunition only to make themselves look incompetent iars?

None of this stuff makes any sense because the DOJ can do this right now. The subpoenas, the grand juries, etc
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:20 am to
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You’re a brainwashed cultist


Are you looking into the mirror as you say this, with MSNBC on in the background?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:21 am to
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You don't know and I don't know either.



You don't know if OJ killed Nicole either, but I bet you have a belief one way or the other.

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You can be pedantic about it, but I thought we were talking about evidence of a sexual trafficking Network around Epstein (or something similar)

Given all we know about Epstein, you think the fact that he had hidden cameras in bedrooms and bathrooms in his house is not evidence that he was blackmailing people, and I'M being pedantic?

frick off with that silliness. You can generate a 20 page topic without my help.
Posted by Taxing Authority
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:21 am to
Release the Kraken! Details coming... next week. Maybe.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:22 am to
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You don't know if OJ killed Nicole either, but I bet you have a belief one way or the other.

Yeah, based on the evidence. You're shifting the discussion from the evidence itself to conclusions based on the evidence.

The DNA, the blood glove, the footprints, etc. Are evidence that OJ committed to murder. We can use this evidence to make a judgment on whether we think he committed it or not.

That sort of evidence does not exist for a larger conspiracy as of this discussion. That's the point

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Given all we know about Epstein, you think the fact that he had hidden cameras in bedrooms and bathrooms in his house is not evidence that he was blackmailing people

Again, as I said earlier, claims and suppositions. Not evidence

Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:23 am to
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Have you paid any attention to how the tariffs have been handled? Any attention at all??


Have you? Because they haven't been the disaster you soy boy f@ggots sky screamed they would be from the beginning. They are doing very well. Bringing in a shite ton of revenue... being used as leverage to negotiate much better trade deals... and the stock market is humming. But keep crying, you leftist bitch. I hope you have a long miserable next 3.5 years... or longer. Eat shite.
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