re: True or False: the Left is Only Ever in Power Because of Women

What’s going on with Iowa? People of color, blue. White people, blue. Yet it’s gone red by an average of 10 points the last three presidential elections.

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Perhaps the craziest thing of all is that, if only white people voted, Illinois would be red. Tells you a lot about Chicago

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You go far enough south in Illinois, it's almost like the actual South down there. Chicago is a lost cause.

College educated Whites also going blue in a lot of places. Indoctrination stations, go figure.

Northeast and Northwest corners of the country, even White Men still going blue. These guys are whipped.

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List radical right posters here and compare how theybstack up to the cubbies of the board?

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I apparently misunderstood and though the term "retard" in the post I was commenting on meant stupid.

You have apparently interpreted it as meaning radical.

I don't have as much interest in commenting on that proposition as I do the other, although there are certainly several radical posters here.

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For the most part, you just have to be married to and have kids with a voter.

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Not even that.

Women pre-19th were extremely active in influencing societal policy; not just in their own homes, although they did that too.

They formed anti-slavery and temperance societies, societies dedicated to the care of the elderly and orphans, started schools for the blind, the poor, and other disadvantaged people, they were activists for labor reforms, they circulated petitions and spoke publicly and campaigned for all sorts of causes and policies. Anti-slavery, anti-Jim Crow, anti-labor abuse, etc., etc.

They were a legitimate political force. They really were the moral conscience of the country.

Now that they can vote, what do they do?

March for the "right" to kill their children in utero. About a million a year, on average. Wearing pussy hats.

Because that's what happens with voting. Everyone just votes their own self-interest. There was a good balance in the country when half the adults in it didn't have that temptation.

Are gay men and straight men who listen to Taylor Swift counted as women?

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Strike two. I'm using women's primary role in the passage of the EIGHTEENTH amendment as an example to show how your conditional entailment above is false.

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Hardly a strike. Women had a lot of influence through the Suffragette movement. They had no power in the sense that they did not vote. They relied on kindly men agreeing with them. Men passed these amendments. That is not the power envisioned in the thread title. And that is obvious because if that is considered power then women have always had power, and the whole thread would be debating nothing.

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And by the way, one of the chief arguments of the anti-suffragettes is that women having the vote would decrease their power and influence over political doings, specifically in the area of social reform.

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I hadn’t heard that, perhaps because it is laughable. If it was true all women would have to do to become more powerful is all of them agree not to vote. Anyone can see the absurdity of that. I’m not disagreeing with you that someone made that argument, though.

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And what do you know? That's exactly what happened.

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Ahem.

Back to my point. Marxism was invented by men, and it was foisted upon Russia almost completely by men. Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Beria; it is a long list before anyone gets to a woman.

Anyway, if you truly believe that women have lost power over this then there really isn’t much disagreement between us over the main point.

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True or False: the Left is Only Ever in Power Because of Women

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Clearly not. Leftism ascended as you say women’s power descended.

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Women had a lot of influence through the Suffragette movement.

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They also had a lot of influence in the anti-Suffragette movement.

Women being universally for attaining the vote is an (intentional) revising of history. They were far more divided about that than they were the previous amendment.

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They had no power in the sense that they did not vote.

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Good grief. That's the whole point. The whole point is that you are assuming a necessary equivalence between voting and power and I'm telling you that doing that is a myopic and largely incorrect assumption because power can come in more forms than voting. And I have given plenty of evidence to substantiate that viewpoint, which you've done nothing to rebut.

I've disagreed with you about feminism before, so I am aware that you will not let it go even when you've been shown to be wrong about something, but damn, man.

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That is not the power envisioned in the thread title.

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O.k. Copy and paste the text in the OP that substantiates that assertion and I'll concede it.

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And that is obvious because if that is considered power then women have always had power

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They always have, and I said so in the first (or maybe 2nd) post to you on this subject. That's when you compared women to rabbits and goats, revealing yourself to be a huge misogynist. Remember?

Again, women have been responsible for amendments passing, orphanages and schools for the blind and deaf and poor being built, as responsible as men for the abolition of slavery, etc., etc. Denying that they have had political power is frankly moronic, especially when you also insist that they are the ones responsible for the 19th amendment passing. Then it shifts from being moronic to downright self-refuting. Both can't be true. Either women really didn't have much of anything to do with passing the 19th (when they couldn't vote), or it's obvious that they had significant political power and influence.

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the whole thread would be debating nothing.

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Nothing about that proposition would invalidate the thread debate. You are now making the same mistake that the guy made way earlier in the thread by hearing, "When the left gains power, is that all because of women," and turning it into, "If women have political power we will always have the left in power."

If you want to debate whether women VOTING has resulted in the election of more and more radical leftists and the general landscape of politics shifting left, o.k. But that's not what the OP says.

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I hadn’t heard that, perhaps because it is laughable.

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You really will expose yourself to be a giant fricking moron on this subject at the drop of a hat, won't you? You do it every time feminism comes up. Exactly what they predicted is exactly what happened. It's one thing to deny a prediction. It's another to deny it after it has come to pass.

You know what some of their other predictions were? That giving women the vote would disrupt harmony in the family, pit women and men against each other, and lead to significantly more divorce and broken families.

If you deny any of those things have actually happened, then you are just being dishonest.

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Back to my point. Marxism was invented by men, and it was foisted upon Russia almost completely by men. Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Beria; it is a long list before anyone gets to a woman.

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That was not your point, nor was it the argument you made. Being dishonest about this is as natural as breathing to you, apparently.

Your point was that women necessarily could not be responsible for the left attaining power because they couldn't vote "during Marxism's heyday."

Again, wrong on two counts. Women COULD vote during Marxism's heyday, and you don't have to be able to vote to influence elections and public policy.

If that were true, MSNBC and Fox News would need to be able to vote to influence elections and policy, which is clearly false.

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cubbies regularly repeats both feminist and Marxist propaganda.

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Like what? This is fantasy.

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She actually usually actively avoids and obfuscates revealing her general political views or whom she votes for—except with respect to local politics, during which she repeats standard Democratic talking points

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I don’t hide who I vote for. I’m extremely critical of local and state politicians so I’m not sure which democrat talking points I’m regurgitating when I’ve repeatedly criticized Cantrell and Moreno, along with Landry.

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Mostly it is arguments with a myriad of posters here who just show up in her threads to throw insults.

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I really genuinely don’t understand this. I don’t think I post anything particularly offensive or hateful. Not sure why I elicit such strong reactions here.

I mean some stuff, I guess I understand. But most of my posts are pretty mild.

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Imagine if white women voted for Democratic Socialist candidates at the same clip black women do......+90% of black women vote for the Democratic Socialist candidate.

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