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Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
So how would you approach these concerns ? Would you tell the nurses that you can't address these things and tell them that they don't know how good they have it as you threaten to undercut them with travel types and foreign nurses . Then continue to understaff the wards in the hopes that the concerns and problems will just go away?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:49 am to KiwiHead
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So how would you approach these concerns ? Would you tell the nurses that you can't address these things and tell them that they don't know how good they have it as you threaten to undercut them with travel types and foreign nurses . Then continue to understaff the wards in the hopes that the concerns and problems will just go away?
Sounds like youve boxed yourself in badly with your own fears.
I woudl go elsewhere if I werent happy with my employer, but thats just me.
Didnt you say there was a shortage?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:57 am to Azkiger
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$6,000,000 / 37,000 = $162.12
quote:Ochsner Employs ~8500 RNs. Compensation for 15 execs runs about $3900/RN/yr.
Ochsner Execs
Warner L Thomas (Ceo) $9,155,980
Scott J Posecai (Treasurer) $3,619,506
Robert I Hart (Exec Vp) $2,401,191
Benjamin B Peeler (Physician Section Head) $2,204,567
Michael F Hulefeld (COO) $2,201,605
Peter C November (CFO) $2,198,415
Richard V Milani (Exec Ccto) $1,472,394
Cuong Q Bui (Board Member) $1,414,863
George E Loss Jr (SS) $1,382,686
James T Kalyvas Jr (Sr Physician) $1,226,787
Paul C Celestre (Vice Chair) $1,214,953
Deryk G Jones (Section Head) $1,210,558
Tracey Schiro (Hr Officer) $1,191,402
Leonardo Seoane (Chief Academic Officer) $1,053,439
Robert Wolterman (Ceo SS Region) $1,016,949
Summarized Comp (15 Execs) $32,965,295
quote:Salary is a red herring. You brought it to the table though, hence the facts above.
Let's not pretend the CEO's salary is what's standing between nurses and a better life.
Do you understand bonusing criterion for these Admins?
Do you understand the importance of that question?
Do you have the foggiest clue as to their collective culpability for the undermining of clinical care at their various facilities?
I don't give a rat's arse WTF Hosp Admin compensation is. I care deeply if the incompetent buffoons undercut quality care in our hospitals.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:59 am to KiwiHead
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Call a truck driver when you are coding in the ICU or dispensing meds on the unit ?
Did the nurse go pick the meds up from the manufacturer?
See that truck driver didn’t need that nurse that day. Maybe the next day he does. But the nurse needed him.
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 8:01 am
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:59 am to GoAwayImBaitn
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Good for him.
This is the type of person who complains about the cost of healthcare and access to care insufficiency
Has nothing to do with a CEO and everything to do with the scam that is "health" insurance.
The masses have been sold this lie that insurance is care and it is not. Insurance is a gamble, a bet against your self, that you hedge with pre illness money. It used to be for terminal issues like cancer especially if something ran in your family. You had a policy to assist with costs in the future. In the 80s they began creating plans for everyone (ponzi schemes basically).
Insurance is a number rating now like a human score. You walk into an office and they measure your dollar signs. If you have dollar signs, you get more tests to pay for the people without dollar signs. You are asked to schedule more follow ups, set up annuals. My father died at 80 with all his teeth, saw a dentist once every 2-3 years or if there was problem. Now you have dental insurance that schedules you twice a year because that is what they will cover, not that you need care, you need to meet the insurance coverage - the dollar signs.
That is all it is today.
They can unionize all they want, their industry will still continue its crumbling into oblivion.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:02 am to RogerTheShrubber
So you would prefer as a middle manager to deal with a large group on a one to one basis? Are you the decision maker that can affect change or are you merely a functionary that must listen to others up the chain ?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:04 am to winkchance
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everything to do with the scam that is "health" insurance.
THIS!!!
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:04 am to KiwiHead
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So you would prefer as a middle manager to deal with a large group on a one to one basis?
I would prefer to be able to promote/raise the most productive over the non productive, you bet your arse.
If you dont, you end up with a bunch of people who dont give a frick, because their performance means nothing.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:10 am to RogerTheShrubber
So if the concern is working conditions like the nurses are saying, you tell them to take a hike. Because it apparently is not about the money overall it is that there are contrived staffing shortages.
Leave the salary aspect to the side for this conversation.
Leave the salary aspect to the side for this conversation.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:12 am to KiwiHead
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So if the concern is working conditions like the nurses are saying, you tell them to take a hike.
No, If I am losing enough of my team to where we cant be productive, then its a bad managerial job.
If there are shortages, why arent you taking advantage of this and finding a place to work that fits your needs? Like a clinic or private practice?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:20 am to KiwiHead
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it is that there are contrived staffing shortages.
This is a completely false. The shortage isn’t contrived. We are short hundreds of thousands of nurses nationwide versus demand.
Your views on this subject do make the rest of your posts make more sense.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:As has been posted several times, that has happened.
If there are shortages, why arent you taking advantage of this and finding a place to work that fits your needs? Like a clinic or private practice?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:27 am to the808bass
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This is a completely false. The shortage isn’t contrived. We are short hundreds of thousands of nurses nationwide versus demand.
Theye been begging here for two years. RNs are making more here than some clinical professionals in the hospital, plus bonuses.
One of my best friends ran a regional hospital network. He didnt make 6 mil. He made 300k, plus an annual bonus that could be up to 100k. He worked his arse off, and had totaly responsibility. Hes in Oklahoma now, I dont think hes making millions there.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Theye been begging here for two years.
Everyone is. Home health companies, hospices, clinics, doctor’s offices, schools, surgery centers, nursing homes, assisted livings, etc etc etc.
If there’s a place that employs nurses, they don’t have enough of them.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:30 am to RogerTheShrubber
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He made 300k, plus an annual bonus that could be up to 100k.
Yeah. That’s much more representational of hospital C-suites. I have a buddy who’s just outside the C-suite at a very large system and his compensation is about what you noted.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:38 am to the808bass
He had some very interesting stories. In many native villages there are no health practitioners, they have a clerk trained in triage and first aid who handles medical calls, and dispenses advice.
Most of the diagnostics and prescriptions come remotely from the city hospitals. Many of these villagers never see a doctor or nurse. Pre pandemic, these aides made about $15 hour.
Most of the diagnostics and prescriptions come remotely from the city hospitals. Many of these villagers never see a doctor or nurse. Pre pandemic, these aides made about $15 hour.
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 9:40 am
Posted on 12/14/23 at 10:08 am to NC_Tigah
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NC_Tigah
I really appreciate your first hand knowledge/experience pertaining to this. Thanks for participating in this discussion.
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