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re: Trigger Warning: UMC nurses in NO vote to unionize
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:35 am to wackatimesthree
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:35 am to wackatimesthree
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The nurses in the hospital are abused routinely....but that is their job and they accept it because it is part of it. They deal with a-hole patients, a-hole family members and a-hole doctors and admins.....yet they do a lot of the work
Also true, and I have no problem with nurses. That's not my argument.
It seems hospital workers think their jobs are different than other jobs people deal with. That very naive. We all deal with that shite.
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:39 am to Diamondawg
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Large health systems like the one mentioned, Ochsner and the $6million salary are outliers.
As I have posted previously, the CEO of Oschner doesn't make $6 million, he makes over $9 million.
AND, the entire total for executive salaries in Oschner (that's the 20 highest paid employees, including the CEO we're discussing) comprises a giant .8% of their total expenditures.
So we could fire them all and reduce their fees for services by .8%.
Again, if you're arguing that any services are more expensive because of what some CEO is getting paid, you are a moron who has never investigated the math for yourself. It's a leftist talking point designed to suck in the gullible.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It seems hospital workers think their jobs are different than other jobs people deal with. That very naive. We all deal with that shite.
I can buy that they have it worse than most jobs. I employ medical physicians for a living and a much larger percentage of those people are significantly more insufferable than the general population IME.
And how customers act when they are in their right mind is bad enough at this point in society. When they are scared and suffering or in pain imagine how much worse that behavior becomes.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:44 am to wackatimesthree
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I just think it's asinine to think that the people who run huge organizations like hospital systems are unnecessary
Populist/worker mentality.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
It beats the frick out of going individually and negotiating against 4 or 5 levels of management who will poor mouth you.
Like I said, if management can operate as a collective, why can't the workers they depend on to make their salaries
Like I said, if management can operate as a collective, why can't the workers they depend on to make their salaries
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:47 am to wackatimesthree
Ahhhh Ochsner, health care like no other.
Used to be called The Killing Fields back in the 80s and 90s
Used to be called The Killing Fields back in the 80s and 90s
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:48 am to KiwiHead
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It beats the frick out of going individually and negotiating against 4 or 5 levels of management who will poor mouth you.
For worker or management?
As a worker, no fricking way would I work for negotiated, collective bargaining that doesnt allow for growth beyond the minimum output of the laziest worker.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:50 am to RogerTheShrubber
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As a worker, no fricking way would I work f
Why are you so opposed to other people choosing this?
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
So you think they should not negotiate their rates against a unified front of management?
Are you suggesting that one person has any sway against a bureaucracy?
Are you suggesting that one person has any sway against a bureaucracy?
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:51 am to KiwiHead
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Ahhhh Ochsner, health care like no other.
For real. I avoid Ochsner providers at all costs. Too many bad experiences and everyone who works for Ochsner seems to be miserable.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:52 am to 4cubbies
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Why are you so opposed to other people choosing this?
I'm trying to help you people with low self esteem escape being chained to the lowest common denominator.
You can do better on your own.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It seems hospital workers think their jobs are different than other jobs people deal with.
How many lives are in the hands of accountants or software engineers?
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:55 am to 4cubbies
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How many lives are in the hands of accountants or software engineers?
Many.
Imagine flying commercially without software engineers and the work they do.
Your hospital couldnt operate without either.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm trying to help you people with low self esteem escape being chained to the lowest common denominator.
You’re offering your unsolicited pity and input?
How many years did you work as a nurse? We all have friends and relatives who are nurses. That’s much different than actually doing the job. How long did you do it? Were you satisfied with your compensation?
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:56 am to 4cubbies
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You’re offering your unsolicited pity and input?
No, we are having a discussion.
Did anyone ask you to post the OP?
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:57 am to 4cubbies
Well, it’s their right to do it, so good luck to them
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:58 am to KiwiHead
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So you think they should not negotiate their rates against a unified front of management?
Collectively? frick no.
Are you in a union?
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
So given your propensity you would opt for the semi quixotic task of thinking that you alone have any real shot of wresting more money for yourself.
Like I said and you never answer. If management can negotiate with one voice, why can't the hourly workers as a whole negotiate with one voice.
Why is it considered socialist for those aging for the increase as a group, but it is the essence of free market capitalism when management does it?
In this situation, can those on the administrative end even begin to attempt to do the minutae of work that RNs or CNAs do? In your capacity. If pressed you could hump and competently drive a truck or van. But most hospital admin types whether it is the CEO or the marketing person could not
Like I said and you never answer. If management can negotiate with one voice, why can't the hourly workers as a whole negotiate with one voice.
Why is it considered socialist for those aging for the increase as a group, but it is the essence of free market capitalism when management does it?
In this situation, can those on the administrative end even begin to attempt to do the minutae of work that RNs or CNAs do? In your capacity. If pressed you could hump and competently drive a truck or van. But most hospital admin types whether it is the CEO or the marketing person could not
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:05 am to KiwiHead
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So given your propensity you would opt for the semi quixotic task of thinking that you alone have any real shot of wresting more money for yourself.
Absolutely correct.
The consensus for pro union people is that there is a shortage. You should be able to write your own ticket. If you cant get a raise where youre at or are unhappy with the conditions, move to another facility.
Thats exactly how people do it in the corporate world.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:10 am to KiwiHead
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Why is it considered socialist for those aging for the increase as a group
Because youre chaining yourself to the worst of the group, not the best. You literally beg for raises, then are a slave to union scale.
In union situations, there is no reward for merit. Those with good work ethics (dont need to be in a union) are wasted and pull most of the weight..
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 9:11 am
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