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yours is probably better

I really could care less, but when it goes from advocating for gay marriage to attacking Christianity, I'm less likely to support their cause.

I think the gains made by the movement were solidified when it was less insufferable, less intolerant, and less spiteful.

this issue is completely off the table for me now. Abortion too (after the U.N. called restricting abortion "torture")

I just fricking hate the way they narrate the story. It always has to be emotional, over the top, and demonizing.

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I now oppose black civil rights. Why? Spite.

Jesus these people are fricking insufferable and to top it off they're of the "ends justify the means" variety of blacks.

But back to my original question, are they helping or hurting their cause?

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Fixed circa 1965

I didn't say you hate blacks, I was pointing out the absurdity of rejecting a cause based on the persistence of the movement.

I don't reject the cause, but I am no longer inclined to vote on it. When you achieve your goals through less than ethical means, I won't give two shits about voting in my self interest if doing so is detrimental to your benevolent cause.

Ted Cruz 2016

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When you achieve your goals through less than ethical means,

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What are they doing that is "less than ethical"?

without even getting into the most practical and worrisome examples

The idea of shutting down and shutting up opposing views (no matter what those views are) is unethical. You are no longer participating in the free exchange of ideas and opinions, you're trying to corner the market. You know it's wrong, but the ends justify the means, right? The lesser of two evils is...evil.

It's the same reason abortion is off my voting table. You are against abortion? Why do you support torture? Generally these "issues" do not concern me in the least bit, but when you're 5 percent of the population...well. See you can shut up these people, smear them, whatever you like, but then they're going to vote...see how well that turns out for you. The radicalized gay rights movement of the past two years is going to set it back because I and a shitload of other people are about to vote in a lot of people who virulently oppose gay marriage. And not because we oppose gay marriage, but because we don't feel the obligation or desire to vote for other people's interests, because those people have behaved like handjobs


/rant...I'm out

Helping. Helping a crap-ton. Look how far the gays have moved the ball (pardon) in the last 10 years. How is this even a question?