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Posted on 9/12/24 at 7:40 pm to
Posted by oldskule
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 7:40 pm to
All of these so called "predicters" are full of shite.....most are Pay-Ops.
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 7:43 pm to
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Have to wait a week to 10 days so he can incorporate post debate polls to see what the impact will be.


You have to wait several weeks to see if anything about the debate even mattered.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39853 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:10 pm to
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Do you think anyone that was voting for Trump on Monday is now going to vote for Kamala come today? I highly doubt it.
That's the wrong question. The context now is for undecided voters - which, whether yall want to admit or not - exist. It's very possible that a lot of undecideds are (for now) decided on Harris.
Posted by Fat Bastard
alter hunter
Member since Mar 2009
91078 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:16 pm to
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Frank Luntz

is a fricking DUNCE
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
84302 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:19 pm to
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It's very possible that a lot of undecideds are (for now) decided on Harris.




There are many post-debate undecided voter reactions out there. "A lot" didn't happen. Very few did, in fact.
This post was edited on 9/12/24 at 9:44 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39853 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 11:50 pm to
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There are many post-debate undecided voter reactions out there. "A lot" didn't happen. Very few did, in fact.
What's your explanation for the betting markets moving?
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55479 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:00 am to
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Most americans know deep down the woman has a below average IQ.

She is widely believed to have skull-drugged Trump in the debate. How if she has a below average IQ? I’m going with what Eric Weinstein said, “Kamala is a lot smarter than people realize.”

Every politician in America is aiming for two spots - the nominees of the two major parties. She got it. You can claim she slept her way to the top, but she didn’t. She probably did use that on the way, and her minority status played a huge role, but there are still tens of thousands who would not hesitate to use those. They are not the nominee; Kamala is. I don’t think she’s below average, or even average, IQ.
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
84302 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:00 am to
I don't care about the betting markets. People on both sides bring them up when they aren't relevant. These aren't votes. They aren't polls. They're bets. Money moves lines/odds for all sorts of reasons, and they move frequently when the odds are up for a long time before the bet is settled like a presidential race. Bettors look for what they hope are edges to get ahead of the market. They take chances. They ride hunches. That's gambling.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39853 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:06 am to
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I don't care about the betting markets. People on both sides bring them up when they aren't relevant. These aren't votes. They aren't polls. They're bets. Money moves lines/odds for all sorts of reasons, and they move frequently when the odds are up for a long time before the bet is settled like a presidential race. Bettors look for what they hope are edges to get ahead of the market. They take chances. They ride hunches. That's gambling.
I personally am not convinced they are overly relevant given the trading volumes just aren't high enough. But in theory, they should be better barometers than polls and whatnot.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39853 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:07 am to
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Every politician in America is aiming for two spots - the nominees of the two major parties. She got it. You can claim she slept her way to the top, but she didn’t. She probably did use that on the way, and her minority status played a huge role, but there are still tens of thousands who would not hesitate to use those. They are not the nominee; Kamala is. I don’t think she’s below average, or even average, IQ.
My guess is her IQ is no higher than 115 - that's 1 standard deviation above the average. Pretty smart, but truly nothing special.

I think she's gotten enormously lucky here. Literally less than 3 months ago, her own party was basically wondering how they could get rid of her. She was despised by basically everyone.
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
84302 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:10 am to
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But in theory, they should be better barometers than polls and whatnot.


They really are not because the bets by a combination of sharps, squares and fans of "their team" leads to manipulation/changes just like they do for sports betting. The degeneracy is a whole different thing unto itself.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39853 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:14 am to
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They really are not because the bets by a combination of sharps, squares and fans of "their team" leads to manipulation/changes just like they do for sports betting.
Over time, sports betting is pretty accurate.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55479 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:38 am to
I think we are ten days away from knowing how the debate affected the electorate. The candidates will know sooner, because they do deadly serious internal polling, but we won’t.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55479 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:54 am to
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My guess is her IQ is no higher than 115 - that's 1 standard deviation above the average. Pretty smart, but truly nothing special.

I think she's gotten enormously lucky here. Literally less than 3 months ago, her own party was basically wondering how they could get rid of her. She was despised by basically everyone.

Your second paragraph is true. I think your 115 or below estimate is low. I’d guess 125. She has very cleverly shape-shifted her way to her present position, in which she has a substantial shot at the Presidency of the United States.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28026 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 1:47 am to
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Nate Silver still says 62% chance that Trump wins


Because large sample size polls post debate still aren't published.

Spike the ball mid-late next week if the results stay the same.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3946 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 2:22 am to
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Hold the line, fellow Patriots

Eta: nate is a very smug contrarian like our own SFP and you get the feeling he'd like nothing more than to catch a ton of shite from his leftist followers as he correctly calls a Trump EC victory


Or is Nate, openly a Democrat, trying to prevent a replay of 2016 when he played a part in making Hillary's victory seem so certain he accidentally helped suppress Democrat turnout in the Rust Belt?

Harris, herself, keeps insisting she's the underdog and they have a lot of work to do...
Posted by Mandtgr47
Member since Aug 2024
7918 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 5:45 am to
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Penrod


quote:

“Kamala is a lot smarter than people realize.”


would not expect anything else from you

anyone with a brain knows she had the questions and knew that she was going to be protected by the moderators. That isn't even open for Debate. Meanwhile, you think that made her look smart, while most of us saw it for what it was, a sham debate. I don't think you should be commenting on anyone's IQ.
Posted by Mandtgr47
Member since Aug 2024
7918 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 5:47 am to
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She has very cleverly shape-shifted her way to her present position, in which she has a substantial shot at the Presidency of the United States.


imagine believing this....yeah, she has orchestrated this....lol
This post was edited on 9/13/24 at 5:48 am
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55479 posts
Posted on 9/14/24 at 4:17 am to
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imagine believing this....yeah, she has orchestrated this....lol

Let's say you're right. Many would have liked that role - many who are better looking and just as amoral - but she got it. How?
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55479 posts
Posted on 9/14/24 at 4:57 am to
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anyone with a brain knows she had the questions
No shite. I posted that weeks ago when Trump foolishly agreed to this debate with this network.

What I posted earlier is still true. There is a gigantic competition for the one spot that she now holds. A dummy would not have gotten there. She is no dummy. You might be.
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