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re: Top D.C. prosecutor resigns after being told to investigate Biden's climate spending

Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:32 pm to
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9361 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:32 pm to
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You don’t need probable cause to open a grand jury investigation. You don’t even need evidence really.


So do you support asset seizure without probable cause of a crime as well?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59466 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:37 pm to
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Like if you were ordered to open an investigation into someone and you are certain that probable cause has not been met. Just hypothetically. You’d still do that?


Non-responsive. You alleged she was ordered to break DOJ rules. Which rule was she ordered to break?

Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24007 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:38 pm to
Without looking I am going to assume an Ivy League college and law school education or Georgetown.
Posted by Reeaholic
Moss Bluff
Member since Jun 2019
1297 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:48 pm to
No where in my post did I mention asset seizure but since you asked, it depends. All those NGO’s that received government funding to bring illegals here, absolutely. If your company is receiving government monies nefariously then yes. Normally I wouldn’t but these aren’t normal times are they. The fraud with OUR money over the last decade has to stop.
Posted by RohanGonzales
Pronoun: Whatever
Member since Apr 2024
10660 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:50 pm to
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Isn’t there a word for what she was ordered to do?


"her job" is 2 words.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32733 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:54 pm to
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You alleged she was ordered to break DOJ rules.


I was responding to your post that she was ordered to do something and I guess your response implied FAFO. So then I asked you hypothetically if you’d open an investigation into someone where you knew there was no probable cause just because you were ordered to do so. It’s a hypothetical.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59466 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 3:01 pm to
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I was responding to your post that she was ordered to do something and I guess your response implied FAFO. So then I asked you hypothetically if you’d open an investigation into someone where you knew there was no probable cause just because you were ordered to do so. It’s a hypothetical.


You need probable cause to make an arrest not to investigate. How can you possibly know anything definitively if you refuse to investigate? Again, you are trying to to muddy the waters here. That is because you are a dirty lawyer. It’s always amusing when dirty lawyers try to lecture others on ethics. It’s clear you have no clue.

And to be clear, you don’t have any knowledge of any rule being broken by ordering her to investigate. You lied about her being ordered to break a DOJ rule.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 3:03 pm
Posted by ELVIS U
Member since Feb 2007
11820 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 3:03 pm to
Just give them the right assignment, and the problem takes care of itself.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32733 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 3:32 pm to
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A top federal prosecutor in Washington resigned Tuesday after refusing an order from Justice Department leaders to direct a bank to freeze accounts holding $20 billion in climate change money allocated by former President Joe Biden’s climate spending law.

Denise Cheung, the head of the criminal division in the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Washington, said in a letter that Trump administration officials, seeking to prevent the money from being spent, had pressured her to launch a criminal investigation without sufficient evidence. The Biden-era Environmental Protection Agency placed the money at Citibank last year to fund efforts by nonprofit green groups to reduce climate pollution.

Cheung, who has worked in the U.S. Attorney’s Office since 2000, said interim U.S. Attorney Ed Martin had demanded her resignation after she refused to order the bank to “freeze” the funds while asserting that a criminal probe was underway. That step, she said, was permitted only if prosecutors had “probable cause” to believe a crime was committed.

“When I explained that the quantum of evidence did not support that action, you stated that you believed that there was sufficient evidence,” Cheung wrote in a three-page letter to Martin dated Tuesday, obtained by POLITICO. “I still do not believe that there is sufficient evidence to issue the letter you described.”


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Cheung described an escalating crisis for her office after she was asked to review documentation supplied by the office of the Justice Department’s acting No. 2 official, Emil Bove. Bove’s office, Cheung wrote in her letter, wanted “to open a criminal investigation into whether a contract had been unlawfully awarded by an executive agency before the change in Administration and to issue grand jury subpoenas pursuant to this investigation.”

“I was told that there was time sensitivity and action had to be taken that day because there was concern that contract awardees could continue to draw down on accounts handled by the bank handling the disbursements,” Cheung wrote.

Cheung said she conferred with colleagues, “all of whom have substantial white collar criminal prosecution experience,” and concluded that the documents “on their face” fell short of justifying a criminal probe.


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What would you have done?
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 3:34 pm
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115422 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 3:32 pm to
Funny. Pretty sure no one resigned over Trump 1/6 or classified docs case
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59466 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 3:44 pm to
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What would you have done?


Investigated as she was ordered. You simply reposted the same editorialized “story.” There is no DOJ rule being broken. No arrest. Simply an order to investigate. Simple stuff. You know it. You are just dirty so you don’t care. You’re the worst type of lawyer. Give the entire profession a bad name.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32733 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 3:46 pm to
So you can freeze someone’s bank account just on vibes?
Posted by glassman
Next to the beer taps at Finn's
Member since Oct 2008
118268 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 3:49 pm to
In Canada.
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
53720 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 3:53 pm to
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she said that she and her colleagues determined that there was not sufficient evidence to justify a grand jury probe into crimes including wire fraud and conspiracy to defraud the United States.


Isnt that the purpose of the investigation?
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
24717 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 3:58 pm to
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unless theres something so big she knows she wont be able to keep it under wraps?


No, she's just trying to become another folk hero to the left. Another person that stood up to tyranny! I hope she can't find another job.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59466 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 3:58 pm to
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So you can freeze someone’s bank account just on vibes?


You moron. They were trying to freeze additional payments being made, not freeze someone’s bank account. You cannot even get basic facts correct yet parade around here spewing lies with hubris from a place of complete ignorance. Once again proving that you’re a vile piece of shite dirty lawyer, trying to lecture us on ethics. Busted. Loser.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 4:09 pm
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
36324 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 4:02 pm to
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If your supervisor ordered you to ignore DOJ rules regarding opening an investigation then you’d do that no problem?


The other side of this coin smells funny.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
21137 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 4:05 pm to
I’m fine with this
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32733 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 4:12 pm to
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You moron. They were trying to freeze additional payments being made, not freeze a bank account. You cannot even get basic facts correct yet parade around here spewing lies with hubris from a place of complete ignorance.


Well Politico and Reuters both have the letter and that’s what they wrote. Reuters describes it as an “asset freeze” and Politico describes it as “freeze accounts”. You seem to be quibbling.
Posted by Lou the Jew from LSU
Member since Oct 2006
5418 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 4:27 pm to
I thought the Grand Jury decided if there was enough evidence to proceed.
This is just a law fare con to kill any further investigation
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