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re: Together Louisiana is at it again with some pure propaganda
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
One thing I want to say having traveled in those circles in my life. Economic developers are some of the most passionate people about improving their local economies. They really want to make a difference and a positive impact, and most would have no problem not bidding on a project that doesn’t make sense economically. To think that they are a group of people who are trying to hurt local economies is asinine.
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:30 pm to NIH
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As for education - there are so many more factors there than just spending.
Our education spending is actually middle of the road at the state level. Our bad schools have more to do with the students attending them than money.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:32 pm to fallguy_1978
And how our school systems are allocating the money they are given.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
I’m not anti-plant or anything but do you guys really think that the path to prosperity is paved primarily with plants? I left Louisiana and almost all of my LSU-educated friends have too. We didn’t move to Texas to work in plants. We moved to work in offices. That seems to be a much bigger problem
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
People who are up in arms over ITEP have never taken (and passed) an econ class.
First, taxes will not cut in half of the exemption is not granted. It’s either some immediate revenue comes in from property taxes or the company goes a few miles down the road into Texas, which leaves you with dick. Or, The exemption is granted, over 200 permanent jobs that are good paying jobs come to the area, capital projects, machinery, equipment, gas, food, entertainment, etc. all result in an increase in sales tax revenue. This amount dwarfs the amount you would receive in the short term from the property taxes.
Without these committees the area would have no input and it would be totally left up to the governor.
First, taxes will not cut in half of the exemption is not granted. It’s either some immediate revenue comes in from property taxes or the company goes a few miles down the road into Texas, which leaves you with dick. Or, The exemption is granted, over 200 permanent jobs that are good paying jobs come to the area, capital projects, machinery, equipment, gas, food, entertainment, etc. all result in an increase in sales tax revenue. This amount dwarfs the amount you would receive in the short term from the property taxes.
Without these committees the area would have no input and it would be totally left up to the governor.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:42 pm to cahoots
it’s not a path to prosperity
It’s a path to keeping the state from the ruins
It’s a path to keeping the state from the ruins
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:52 pm to fallguy_1978
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Our bad schools have more to do with the students attending them than money.
Close: Our bad schools have more to do with the bad parents in the school district than money.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:54 pm to cahoots
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but do you guys really think that the path to prosperity is paved primarily with plants? I
we got nothing else
like i said earlier, car plants don't even think we're qualified for them
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We didn’t move to Texas to work in plants. We moved to work in offices. That seems to be a much bigger problem
this is the Lafayette/LC argument all over again
you need a strong, dependable industrial base to justify "offices". otherwise you're itching to become a ghost town with a simple business cycle. you have to have a solid, reliable, and skilled lower-middle and middle class in order to justify a service economy. you can't lure a corporate economy without a stable, qualified, and educated service economy (and other things like good schools and desired urban locations)
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:55 pm to boosiebadazz
JBE did call ExxonMobil’s bluff. And they took their $7 Billion grassroots plant (largest in the Chemical side’s history) to Corpus Cristi. I’m sure we didn’t want those 10,000 multi-year construction jobs or 4000 high paying permanent jobs. 
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:57 pm to cahoots
What are you doing in those offices? Unless you are doing tourism related work, odds are you don’t have an office or a job without the petrochemical industry
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this is the Lafayette/LC argument all over again
It is.
Frankly, the corruption, poorly educated workforce and crime rate are the 3 key turn offs for business and industry to expand within/relocate or expand to Louisiana.
Our relatively low land costs, transportation hubs and proximity to natural resources are all strengths - because of corruption, we've never been able to leverage past being only those three things.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:18 pm to Icansee4miles
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What are you doing in those offices? Unless you are doing tourism related work, odds are you don’t have an office or a job without the petrochemical industry
Yes, but the office jobs don't have to be in the same geographic area as the plants. Louisiana's O&G industry is run by engineers and executives in Houston and Amsterdam and elsewhere. You can build all the plants you want. How are you going to stop the state's top talent from leaving?
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:20 pm to boosiebadazz
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We just had two applications denied by the City Council.
I understand we do not have an educated population nor great infrastructure, but we still have great waterways at the mouth of the main river dividing the country. I think we sometimes just bend over to these plants and take it because they threaten to go somewhere else. I wouldn't mind to call their bluff once or twice and let them go put a refinery in Missouri or Illinois to see if they'll really do it. I just think it's out of whack when you have upwards of 90% of a property's value off the rolls in some of these projects.
we here in Texas, primarily Houston, appreciate Louisiana turning down industry and sending even more economic prosperity our direction. good call.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this is the Lafayette/LC argument all over again
you need a strong, dependable industrial base to justify "offices". otherwise you're itching to become a ghost town with a simple business cycle. you have to have a solid, reliable, and skilled lower-middle and middle class in order to justify a service economy. you can't lure a corporate economy without a stable, qualified, and educated service economy (and other things like good schools and desired urban locations)
Dude, I know that Louisiana needs blue collar jobs too. I'm just saying that blue collar jobs, or the lack thereof, do not explain why Louisiana in particular cannot attract a more substantial corporate economy. Sure, everything is connected in a way, but you could build twice as many plants and it wouldn't solve the major underlying problems.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:29 pm to cahoots
What are the major underlying problems? And what are your solutions ?
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:43 pm to cahoots
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I'm just saying that blue collar jobs, or the lack thereof, do not explain why Louisiana in particular cannot attract a more substantial corporate economy. Sure, everything is connected in a way, but you could build twice as many plants and it wouldn't solve the major underlying problems.
importing enough people of a higher economic and social class is our only hope in changing the culture in areas
we are somewhat beyond that pie in the sky bullshite though. this is about holding on to not sliding into legit forever shithole status. we need those jobs to not have 60%+ of our population on government assistance, with a good chunk of the remaining 40% being paid (directly or indirectly) through government work/contracts.
what selling points do we offer big corporations?
urban areas filled with some of the highest crime rates?
urban areas where you have to pay an insane surcharge to live in a safe area while also paying tens of thousands of dollars for private school?
urban ares with utterly dysfunctional governments that are used more as a kleptocracy and spoils system than a government?
the only people our urban areas appeal to are the same fricksticks who support that article i posted a week or so ago, and they are anti-corporaet
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
Should focus on Lake Charles, Lafayette and the Northshore. That is where the demographics are right for true prosperity.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
If valuation increase, generally governments must roll back the rates so the same amount of tax revenue is realized.
Now, the government can then roll forward the rates to increase revenue. But that takes a vote of the council, etc.
Now, the government can then roll forward the rates to increase revenue. But that takes a vote of the council, etc.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:59 pm to cahoots
You use the revenue from what you’re good at to improve what you’re not.
Plants make money for governments and citizens. That regenue can then be invested in education, road infrastructure, and law enforcement. More plant baws means less murdering unemployed thugs. What keeps corporations out of here are a lack of direct flights from our air ports, poor roads, high crime, and a lack of decent public schools. Use the revenue from the plants to improve those structural issues while reforming your regulatory, permitting, licensing, and tax policies that stifle growth in order to protect existing businesses from competition and you can grow your way into being a competitive climate for businesses.
States compete for jobs one of several ways:
Low cost land, taxes, and labor
High quality skilled labor force
Great infrastructure for what said business needs (ports for shipping, fiber optic cable for tech, access to interstates for trucking, great soil/irregation systems for ag etc)
Louisiana has a skilled labor force for plants. It has a great climate for ag. It has fantastic infrastructure for shipping and rail. What it lacks is everything else which is available just a few hours down the road in Texas.
Plants make money for governments and citizens. That regenue can then be invested in education, road infrastructure, and law enforcement. More plant baws means less murdering unemployed thugs. What keeps corporations out of here are a lack of direct flights from our air ports, poor roads, high crime, and a lack of decent public schools. Use the revenue from the plants to improve those structural issues while reforming your regulatory, permitting, licensing, and tax policies that stifle growth in order to protect existing businesses from competition and you can grow your way into being a competitive climate for businesses.
States compete for jobs one of several ways:
Low cost land, taxes, and labor
High quality skilled labor force
Great infrastructure for what said business needs (ports for shipping, fiber optic cable for tech, access to interstates for trucking, great soil/irregation systems for ag etc)
Louisiana has a skilled labor force for plants. It has a great climate for ag. It has fantastic infrastructure for shipping and rail. What it lacks is everything else which is available just a few hours down the road in Texas.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:02 pm to saints5021
Lafayette’s industry is hurting but it has the most potential of any of the relatively big Louisiana cities. No ghetto governance, decent to good public schools, low crime, I-10/I-49 proximity, pro-business mayor and council, downtown area that’s trending up, etc
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